PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

BerkshireBlue said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

Man City 'launched secret project to shift player image rights cash'

Manchester City are alleged to have launched a secret project to shift the cost of player image rights to a third-party in a bid to escape Financial Fair Play penalties.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

of course it was here's an article asking UEFA to investigate it way before we were charged by them. It was covered and deemed nothing
Click to expand...
PrestwichBlue covered the Fordham thing - the information is readily available on Companies House... what is there to investigate, City haven't hidden it... it's literally in the public domain.
If anything was done wrong then the PL's own auditors haven't seen it, nor did they see any problems with our accounts... which leads me to conclude that if the PLs checks on Club finance are as lax as it's being claimed, then they need to go over EVERY CLUB's finances again.
 
domalino said:
It was not covered in the CAS trial FFS.

We all know it was uncovered before then, that's what we've been discussing for the last 10 pages.

It was not covered by, or even mentioned, at CAS.
Click to expand...
Are you saying uefa didn't bother investigating one of the most controversial accounting queries brought to them. I'm not buying that whatsoever. Uefa either investigated and deemed it fine or brought it to CAS and it was thrown out. CAS only mentioned that we hadn't falsified accounts not the actual details involved in it's decision. So for me this is a nothing story and we have irrefutable evidence about the player images rights.
 
I can’t believe we have City fans in this thread now, arguing furiously with other City fans, that our club is, actually, guilty of some sort of transgression, to the point of basically wishing it so.

I prefer to trust the words of our executive team, that they have irrefutable evidence of our innocence, and are looking forward to the opportunity to prove it “once and for all”.
And I’ll keep that trust until such time as evidence is presented that renders it invalid. Or, in other words, until hell freezes over.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
CAS only mentioned that we hadn't falsified accounts not the actual details involved in it's decision.
Click to expand...

I have been fairly frustrated by how uninformed opposition fans are about the CAS case and the charges against City in general, but when we have our own fans so confidently spouting blatantly false stuff like this I obviously am being too harsh on the rest.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
I can’t believe we have City fans in this thread now, arguing furiously with other City fans, that our club is, actually, guilty of some sort of transgression, to the point of basically wishing it so.

I prefer to trust the words of our executive team, that they have irrefutable evidence of our innocence, and are looking forward to the opportunity to prove it “once and for all”.
And I’ll keep that trust until such time as evidence is presented that renders it invalid. Or, in other words, until hell freezes over.
Click to expand...

I've read pretty much every post in the last 25 pages and haven't seen any City fans arguing furiously that the club is guilty or wishing it so.

I've seen people who's interest in the case extends beyond "club says we're fine so wake me up when the not guilty verdict comes in" and who actually want to look at the details of the accusations and evidence in the public domain discuss the investigation, but perhaps you can't tell the difference.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
That would have been the argument used by our lawyers. The PL can't go looking for a case to pursue. They have to have one when they ask for documents, emails, etc.

I could be wrong but it looks increasingly like all they had was UEFA's sloppy seconds.
Click to expand...
You're quite correct. If A accuses B, A has to present their evidence to support the accusation & give B the opportunity to offer a defence & supporting counter evidence.

What you can't do is accuse someone of wrongdoing with zero evidence & challenge them to disprove the claim, or ask for evidence to prove the claim.

You make the claim, you provide your evidence & the other side can either accept the claim in whole or part & provide whatever necessary supporting evidence.

This is why the only long-term solution is an independent regulator & the scrapping of FFP & the fair workable revision of football finances & debt management.
 

Attachments

  • B9DD09B1-8015-4513-BA65-D2CA1D77F385.jpeg
    B9DD09B1-8015-4513-BA65-D2CA1D77F385.jpeg
    444 KB · Views: 39
domalino said:
I have been fairly frustrated by how uninformed opposition fans are about the CAS case and the charges against City in general, but when we have our own fans so confidently spouting blatantly false stuff like this I obviously am being too harsh on the rest.
Click to expand...

go ahead and post the proof it wasn't covered
 
Dribble said:
You're quite correct. If A accuses B, A has to present their evidence to support the accusation & give B the opportunity to offer a defence & supporting counter evidence.

What you can't do is accuse someone of wrongdoing with zero evidence & challenge them to disprove the claim, or ask for evidence to prove the claim.

You make the claim, you provide your evidence & the other side can either accept the claim in whole or part & provide whatever necessary supporting evidence.

This is why the only long-term solution is an independent regulator & the scrapping of FFP & the fair workable revision of football finances & debt management.
Click to expand...
Harumph!
 
domalino said:
I have been fairly frustrated by how uninformed opposition fans are about the CAS case and the charges against City in general, but when we have our own fans so confidently spouting blatantly false stuff like this I obviously am being too harsh on the rest.
Click to expand...

It’s almost as if only independent expert financial & legal minds can understand & judge the case. (Counts me out on 3 fronts)

Meanwhile we are bombarded with noise often deliberately disingenuous by those who will have been informed of the facts so I sympathise with some of our fans having a go.

These last 10 years has made me see the world & question all news & headlines on far more serious topics than football. What a truely shit, greedy disgusting world we live in. I can’t stand liars but we really are bombarded with lies in the media.
 
argyle said:
There is nothing that PL is doing that is against their rules.

There is no avenue to suing them over this after we win.

Some City fans need to understand this that we won't be 'going after' the PL, just like we didnt go after UEFA.
Click to expand...
Nor the media. They will all be able to defend any lawsuits on the basis that they were simply reporting the news and discussing topics in the public interest. The fact they spin it against us is not something we can stop in the legal arena.
Nor the other clubs. It isn’t our owners style. It will not happen. I assure you.
However will the independent regulator receive an anonymous packet of neatly packaged information that causes them to investigate the Nobhead 9.. well…that’s something else entirely…
 
Last edited:
Centurions said:
One or two of the charges are for not complying with UEFA rules and the only one we were actually found guilty on by CAS was for non-cooperation with UEFA, so the PL will probably fine us for not cooperating with UEFA and themselves. Can they fine us for getting fined by UEFA?
Click to expand...
I am not sure but feel that there may be an element of double jeopardy to this. I do not think the PL can add any punishment to something we have already been punished for by CAS for failing to cooperate. I am Certain that Lord Pannick will run that argument. We did not cooperate, we admitted it and we received a €10m fine for it.
Although the PL will be able to show we did not cooperate with UEFA I am not Sure they can add any further punishment.
 
KS55 said:
Because the PL rules say we must provide any info they ask for.
Click to expand...
I dont think that’s correct. We are only obligated to provide relevant financial documents. Not any document they ask for.
City’s case has always been that they provided relevant financial documents but nothing else is relevant unless it is a specific document that they can point to in terms of the document itself existing and why it is relevant.
This is why I think the failure to cooperate with PL charge will be difficult to uphold. They would have to show that we failed to provide specific documents, not refused to hand over the intricate workings of City’s business model. If they had been specific and not engaged on a fishing expedition then we would have already handed over the documents.
 
Last edited:
terraloon said:
If City have indeed fail to supply everything the thePL requests and they ( unlike UEFA) can produce evidence that despite repeated requests to provide such requests haven’t been met in full then I think it’s inevitable that the tribunal will make damaging assumptions as to what those documents reveal .
Even if they don’t!
Then at the inevitable appeal” that forum ( unlike CAS where UEFAs assumptions were dismissed because in effect UEFA gave up trying to get the info) I would imagine the PL s attempts to gain full disclosure added to the High Courts ruling and the hint given by CAS in this regard that failure to fully disclose any defence re non cooperation won’t go well
Click to expand...
The same assumption being made time and time again. PL members do not have to hand over every scrap of paper in the building. Only relevant financial documentation.
I assure you if there was a requirement to send everything then the club would deposit 250,000+ pages of information including coach doodles during matches, the cleaning schedule for the CFA and the listed contents of the broom cupboard for every day in the last decade. It would cost the PL lawyers the leagues entire annual budget to review it all.
Apart from the fact that none of the PL members would ever sign up to an agreement that required them to give all of their documentary secrets…
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Unread Posts

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top