PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Good grief….anybody relying on the Football is Fixed nutcase for their info needs professional help.

I presume you are aware that he has written about some of current players being match fixing plants and a certain football agent being the shadowy puppet master of everything bent about football.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Sorry, I wasn't being serious with my previous answer.

Yes, a couple of our legal eagles have made those very points, although I wasn't clear if the fraud angle will be reviewed first to determine whether there is enough evidence to pursue the serious charge. If there isn't, then the alleged breach is time-barred, of course.

Our les also pointed out that the serious nature of the allegation of fraud means that the evidence has to be more cogent than with a normal breach, which is then a more difficult level to achieve.

I think. It's all pretty complicated for a simple accountant like me.

And yes, you do need to catch up to the dirty dossier.
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The two points run simultaneously. If fraud is established, it (a) means the limitation period didn't start to run until they found out about the fraud (I am simplifying this) and (b) we are guilty of failing to provide accounts showing a true and fair picture of our finances.

The fact that the allegation of fraud is crucial in two separate respects is why this is a lot more high-stakes, on both sides, than even the media have reported.

And I've caught up with Dodge's dodgy dossier!
 
cookster said:
Ref wasn't too bad away at the Emirates last season.
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And the Brentford equaliser against Arse. Surely if var was there to stop us winning the league they’d have found a way to disallow that?

I just think refs and var are shit and incompetent, and nothing to do with the vendetta against us which is purely from the ‘hateful 8 or 9‘ clubs whose boards are jealous of our spending and winning stuff so focussed on our spending.
 
Referees are incompetent. However I doubt they'd be so stupid to say something which they know would be picked up by broadcasters, etc.

It's possible that the OP may have been told something but I don't think the person who passed on that information is telling the truth.

It sounds very fanciful and convenient.
 
domalino said:
We had all this 3 years ago.

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UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

5 mins and the servers going lol
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forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk

UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

5 mins and the servers going lol
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forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk

UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

5 mins and the servers going lol
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City were going to unload a mythical shit storm of material gathered on the cartel clubs.

Depending on the point of time, it was going to be timed to:

stop the UEFA investigation
derail Liverpool's title charge in January
blow things wide open during project restart in June
spoil their title celebrations in July
bring down UEFA entirely


Then the ban got overturned, all mentions of a super secret expose to uncover the villains behind the campaign against the club were forgotton, until another crisis point and suddenly it's back on the menu.

You must be able to see this is not real. It's wishful thinking packaged up perfectly to appeal to people on here. Not only is the club 100% innocent, it's going to be proven to everyone and all our enemies are going to be humiliated and their machinations revealed to the public! Too good to be true doesn't even begin to cover it.

It's always the same. The poster can't tell you any details. Or a date for when this might happen. Or who is involved...but you wait and see! Just keep waiting, any day now.



I completely understand the appeal, If we're sitting here in 10 days or 10 weeks time and it turns out it was real this time, and the "whistleblower of all whistleblowers" has brought down a conspiracy of everyone who looked at City the wrong way, then I'll be celebrating just as much as anyone. But come on, we can't keep falling for the same routine.
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Yeah but lets be honest.. it's really awful at Anfield and Old Trashford.

So many bad calls against us in those venues over the last 5 years alone!
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
There hasn’t been the same clamour to get the official who reffed the Derby stood down than there has been for the VAR team who did the Arsenal game on Saturday. In my view the derby decision was a whole lot worse to something marginal.
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The Fernandes goal decison was the worst I have ever seen. The linesman and the VAR made the correct call and the referee (Atwell) overuled them without checking the monitor. Virtually unprecedented even with the current shambles that is VAR. It was obvious somethig fishy had happened from the body language of officials on the pitch. The cagey response by Howard Webb the next day confirmed my suspicions. He used weasel words (with no apology) but pretty much confirmed the wrong decison had been made. Clearly the linesman and VAR team were hung out to dry by Stuart Atwell so presumably there has been some fall-out over that.
 
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Semper aggressus said:
And the Brentford equaliser against Arse. Surely if var was there to stop us winning the league they’d have found a way to disallow that?

I just think refs and var are shit and incompetent, and nothing to do with the vendetta against us which is purely from the ‘hateful 8 or 9‘ clubs whose boards are jealous of our spending and winning stuff so focussed on our spending.
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It isn’t about necessarily stopping us (although I’m sure they won’t want us to win 5 in 6) it’s about keeping things interesting, a storyline, new heroes born, a manipulation of an ending that ultimately means more gravy for everyone
 
Chris in London said:
I'm 50 pages behind so someone might have answered this.

If not:

The relationship between City and the PL is essentially contractual. The regulations that govern our participation within that league are the terms of the contract. One of those terms is that in the event of an alleged breach of the rules the matter is referred to an independent panel, from which an appeal lies to a further panel.

We are said to be in breach of those terms. The fact that the terms themselves do not contain a limitation clause makes no difference, because the Limitation Act says that if you are alleging a breach of contract you must do it within six years.

So, there is a limitation period, and it is six years.

However.

The limitation act also says that if you are bringing a claim based on the fraud of the other party the limitation period does not start to run until you had knowledge of the fraud. So the six year period begins not with the date of the breaches, but the date those breaches became known to the PL - IF they were breaches brought about by fraud.

This means that the allegation of fraud is relevant in two ways. First, given that our accounts have been passed by an auditor, the PL have to allege fraud in order to make their case stick. Secondly, if they can't establish fraud, the limitation act means anything before February 2017 is time-barred.

They have charged us with something extremely serious. The consequences for City if the case succeeds are potentially devastating. The consequences for the PL if the charges fail is also potentially devastating.
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It is a bit behind but it is a good summary and thanks.
Stefan confirmed (p1458) that time limitations do apply.
I agree with the point you made that if fraud cannot be established then anything prior to Feb 2017 is time barred.
On the assumption that violating FFP regulations does not constitute a breach of the law this would therefore mean that any FFP allegations against us are time barred prior to Feb 2017?
 
BlueMojito said:
OMG! I've read every single message in this thread to try and get a better understanding of the charges we are facing. My emotions have been up and down as I've tried to comprehend what is being discussed and the potential ramifications either way. Please let this message be real! My head and my heart say City are victims of jealous hatred. Something this explosive would just show the world we are innocent and treated unfairly. Take them to the cleaners!!!!
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Dodge said:
Thanks DD....I think ;)

It would depend on who the information has been passed to. If my information is correct, in one sentence, there is full vindication of the "clear and obvious" mantra that our club have put out there already.

It does make you wonder what what discussed in the EPL London meeting last week, and why it was reported that certain CEO's were more than happy to shake the hand of our CEO at said meeting....whilst certain others were cosied up gnashing their collective teeth.

We all slag the broadcasters off, but maybe...just maybe...we have the broadcasting whistleblower to end all whistleblowers.

Just sayin.
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The broadcasters are privy to recordings between the ref and the VAR teams but they are apparently not allowed to share them with the paying customers! The broadcasters also supply the footage and the angles which is one of the most dishonest things about the whole process. Some incidents get looked at others get ignored. I trust what you have said. Let's wait and see what happens.
 
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