The BBC | Tim Davie resigns as Director General over Trump documentary edit (p 187)

Blue Mist said:
But threads get moved and people who want to talk about Motd don't get the chance (unless they go in the 'let's all fight, argue and shout sub forum)
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I don't watch motd, if I've been or already seen the game. The whole show is a scouse and rag wank fest. But I do get the politics issue being added, can be annoying
 
Ric said:
I think they misjudged the public mood on this massively, and it’s been pretty reassuring to see. For all the faults with this country, I like to think that there is still an empathy and decency amongst a lot of the population. It’s another hugely damaging episode for the BBC and government though. They’ve handled this abysmally.
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Have they? Time will tell.

Support for a football man from mostly the football following community might not be a total reflection of public mood.
 
argyle said:
The Government know this. They know the bill will be shot down in the lords and the courts.

They get to the do their culture war of British patriots against the illegals on the right v the traitors and deep state on the left.

Essentially they want to re-run the Brexit type arguments in the General Election.

Idiots will fall for it.
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Nail on the head.
 
Ric said:
Would probably look better than this. I hate to be the grammar police, but come on. “Minster”, ffs.

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York has a minster; why shouldn't Prime have one?
 
Rory Bluelow said:
I think Lineker is perfectly entitled to express his opinions - whatever they are - and I‘m hugely against ”cancellation” of anyone or groupthink by coercion. But the BBC has to walk a tightrope of impartiality (apart from football !) because of its unique cultural position. Gary knew what he doing and that he was putting the BBC in an impossible position.
It matters not that he was “freelance”, if I employed an expensive leading consultant on a project who was then briefing against or publicly criticising it he’d be off the job in an instant. Words have consequences.
By Invoking Nazi Germany in his original statement and then gleefully doubling down in the following days, left the BBC little choice in the matter: it was a direct challenge - him basically squaring up to them.
I think there’s no way back for him but he’s a very wealthy man so no problem, but I’m sure the BBC will find a way over the coming week to move forward with putting shit punditry back on our screens.
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I hope they fire him tbh.

Not because of his original tweet, which was out of order, considering his very high profile and the clear instructions from his employer about additional responsibility for their high profile contributors to be seen to be impartial.

But that transgression was recoverable, had he towed to line and issued some kind of apology. Maybe even if he had said norhing, they could have found a way to patch things up.

But I agree with you. By his public refusal to compromise, he's throwing down the gauntlet to the BBC, saying in terms, "I will do what I like and am not going to obey your rules". No employer can accommodate behaviour like that. Here at Bluemoon we always take the line "no player is bigger than the club" and the same applies here.

So I hope they sack him. To not do so would send out a terrible message to other would be prima donnas. As an aside, if they can save a million or so per year, that wouldn't be a bad idea either
 
paulchapo said:
We might mock MOTD but for a lot of older people who don't stream or can't afford sky it's their only means of watching the football. Shame on the BBC for fucking that up for them, even if it's only for one weekend
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Ditto for a lot of kids too.

I get why a lot of dedicated football fans (which is the vast majority of people who post on here clearly are) might have preferred it just seeing the highlights and no commentary. Ultimately, MOTD isn’t for you though. I’m on a last man standing whatsapp group with a bunch of more casual football fans and they all absolutely hated it.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I hope they fire him tbh.

Not because of his original tweet, which was out of order, considering his very high profile and the clear instructions from his employer about additional responsibility for their high profile contributors to be seen to be impartial.

But that transgression was recoverable, had he towed to line and issued some kind of apology. Maybe even if he had said norhing, they could have found a way to patch things up.

But I agree with you. By his public refusal to compromise, he's throwing down the gauntlet to the BBC, saying in terms, "I will do what I like and am not going to obey your rules". No employer can accommodate behaviour like that. Here at Bluemoon we always take the line "no player is bigger than the club" and the same applies here.

So I hope they sack him. To not do so would send out a terrible message to other would be prima donnas. As an aside, if they can save a million or so per year, that wouldn't be a bad idea either
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Load of horse shit. BBC are changing/warping the rules due to current serving MP pressure being applied, Nazism all over this.
 
Brendan110_0 said:
Load of horse shit. BBC are changing/warping the rules due to current serving MP pressure being applied, Nazism all over this.
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Well your opinion is certainly in a minority it seems, despite perhaps not so on our left-leaning forum.

There's countless polls on the subject, but rather than risk your potential claim that the polls are biased, here's one from the Leicester Mercury, Leicester not being particularly renowned for its right wing bias and being his home town you'd imagine he'd get plenty of support. Other polls in e.g. the Daily Express are less forgiving still.

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The other comment I would make is that I am surprised the BBC are behaving as if this is some kind of difficult decision. Just get him sacked and move on. I wonder how many people watch MOTM just to hear their overpaid host say "What do you think, Alan". I imagine the show would cope without him.
 
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Eds said:
It averages around 2m viewers a week. This week, without all the so called pundits etc it had 2.5m viewers
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Doesn’t really mean much, it got the same amount of viewers for an episode this season.

If it kept the same format for a few weeks and was still averaging that high then that would be a more valid point.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
Seen quite a few of the older, miserable sort across the internet pretending the show was better last night.

Why the fuck would anyone wait around until 22:30 to watch some brief highlights? They're on YouTube about 15 mins after full time.

In fact, why are you staying up until then to watch MOTD any other week if you find the presenters so insufferable?
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Provides a reason to carry on
 
Mancity1980 said:
This interview by BBC News of Tim Davie:



tells me all I need to know about this situation. Davie and the other Tory backers at the BBC need to go, Lineker should then be allowed to decide if he wants to continue or not then the Conservative Party need to be held accountable for their efforts to undermine and influence the public sector broadcaster. Any Tory that subsequently comes electioneering to my front door will get a grilling on this issue, hopefully the voting public will see sense and kick them out of government.
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Quite a grilling list for them really I would have thought.
Malevolent influence of the BBC
stop the small boats at all costs
stop the Unions
trash the economy
handling of the pandemic
pollute 100% of our rivers
trash the Union
Brexit (quite a small topic really)
partygate
lying and corruption in general with a few specifics thrown in
procurement of PPE from their pals
trashing the NHS
trashing the Education system
Grenfell/Cladding
Withdrawal from Afghanistan (leaving friends behind)
trashing the prison service
levelling up
The Northern Powerhouse
HS2
Increase in Child Poverty
Hostile environment
Windrush
Downing Street Renovations
Rees-Mogg, Cummings, Hancock, Shaps, Dorris, Braverman, Truss, Johnson........and the things they have said
I'm sure there are a lot more as I have just got started.
 
argyle said:
The Government know this. They know the bill will be shot down in the lords and the courts.

They get to the do their culture war of British patriots against the illegals on the right v the traitors and deep state on the left.

Essentially they want to re-run the Brexit type arguments in the General Election.

Idiots will fall for it.
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As evidenced by our resident idiots on this forum.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Well your opinion is certainly in a minority it seems, despite perhaps not so on our left-leaning forum.

There's countless polls on the subject, but rather than risk your potential claim that the polls are biased, here's one from the Leicester Mercury, Leicester not being particularly renowned for its right wing bias and being his home town you'd imagine he'd get plenty of support. Other polls in e.g. the Daily Express are less forgiving still.

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The other comment I would make is that I am surprised the BBC are behaving as if this is some kind of difficult decision. Just get him sacked and move on. I wonder how many people watch MOTM just to hear their overpaid host say "What do you think, Alan". I imagine the show would cope without him.
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Think that’s for the other thread but the Yougov polls have it very clearly the other way and yes, the Leicester Mercury is absolutely right wing when it comes to its contributors on the comments section!

I highly doubt they’ll sack him, that’ll open an even bigger can of worms. It’s not really a left or right wing position either way though (or at least it shouldn’t be). That a lot of people will be judging it as such is part of the issue.
 
meltonblue said:
Think that’s for the other thread but the Yougov polls have it very clearly the other way and yes, the Leicester Mercury is absolutely right wing when it comes to its contributors on the comments section!

I highly doubt they’ll sack him, that’ll open an even bigger can of worms. It’s not really a left or right wing position either way though (or at least it shouldn’t be). That a lot of people will be judging it as such is part of the issue.
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yougov.co.uk

Britons say BBC was wrong to suspend Gary Lineker | YouGov

The public holds a favourable view of the presenter
yougov.co.uk yougov.co.uk
 
Ric said:
I think they misjudged the public mood on this massively, and it’s been pretty reassuring to see. For all the faults with this country, I like to think that there is still an empathy and decency amongst a lot of the population. It’s another hugely damaging episode for the BBC and government though. They’ve handled this abysmally.
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I expect the government will manage to put all the blame at the BBC's door though and then use the situation as another reason to privatise the BBC and sell everything off to their mates.

bylinetimes.com

BBC Chairman Donated Tens of Thousands of Pounds to Right-Wing Group Funding Criticism of BBC

Richard Sharp has pumped money into a group that almost funds organisations like the TaxPayers' Alliance, Eurosceptics, and the BBC-bashing News-Watch
bylinetimes.com bylinetimes.com
 
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