31 | Ederson - 2022/23 Performances

[Saddleworth2]

No it's you who is missing the point. Ederson could become a better goalkeeper. You seem to think that because the team is successful, there's no need in your mind for him (or presumably any other players) to improve.
That's not the case. There's huge scope for Ederson to improve his game. He has significant gaps in his basic skills.
As a professional sportsperson, he should be working on them. If he has been, we should see an improvement on his all-round game. But we haven't. He's still cautious in his six-yard box and reckless outside the penalty area. That leads me to think that he doesn't see any need to Improve his own game.
That's arrogance in a nutshell, and if Pep is prepared to accept it, Ederson will never be a truly great goalkeeper. If you and other fans are happy to accept it, that's your perogative. I just believe that Ederson should and could be a better keeper if he works on the basics.

It's the simple things that make a big difference.

I cant argue with that. Ederson suits our play because of his distribution but some of his basic technique could be improved. His angles, his hand strength, his 1 on 1, but most of all his decision making and judgement on when to go and when to stay (think the Arsenal penalty). If Werner doesn't back out of the challenge with Eddie or worse still extends his leg to try and get the ball, Eddie hits him full square and would have been sent off in a second, he was just bloody lucky that Werner bottled it. That could have made Tuesday very different and I really hope the coaching staff go over that incident with him. The last thing we need as we get to the sharp end is Eddie being sent off.

 

[sir baconface]

He reminds me the kid who dashes blindly out of his house the moment he hears the ice-cream van melody playing in the street, and suddenly remembers that he's not got any money to buy anything.

Money or not, he’d get a fkn big flake in it.

And nut topping.

 

[Saddleworth2]

His basics are hysterically poor.

You make some very good points about Eddie but thats overstating the problem and explains why you sometimes get a bit of a pile-on.

 

[Lavinda Past]

You make some very good points about Eddie but thats overstating the problem and explains why you sometimes get a bit of a pile-on.

Perhaps I am, but goalkeepers have to keep on top of all aspects of their game.

Complacency and/or arrogance can quickly lead to a Joe Hart style drop of form and confidence. That's why I've never said that we should get rid of Ederson and suggested that Ortega should be used every now and then in the PL to keep him on his toes.

 

[blueparrot]

No it's you who is missing the point. Ederson could become a better goalkeeper. You seem to think that because the team is successful, there's no need in your mind for him (or presumably any other players) to improve.
That's not the case. There's huge scope for Ederson to improve his game. He has significant gaps in his basic skills.
As a professional sportsperson, he should be working on them. If he has been, we should see an improvement on his all-round game. But we haven't. He's still cautious in his six-yard box and reckless outside the penalty area. That leads me to think that he doesn't see any need to Improve his own game.
That's arrogance in a nutshell, and if Pep is prepared to accept it, Ederson will never be a truly great goalkeeper. If you and other fans are happy to accept it, that's your perogative. I just believe that Ederson should and could be a better keeper if he works on the basics.

It's the simple things that make a big difference.

I'm sure they work on any weaknesses all the time and try to improve all his game, in fact all players games, why wouldn't they. No player or keeper is perfect at everything though, but if the good out weighs the bad you stick with the player. They do, at least in the opinion of Pep.

 

[Lavinda Past]

I'm sure they work on any weaknesses all the time and try to improve all his game, in fact all players games, why wouldn't they. No player or keeper is perfect at everything though, but if the good out weighs the bad you stick with the player. They do, at least in the opinion of Pep.

Going round in circles won't convince me or anyone else with experience/knowledge of goalkeeping that Ederson is a good keeper.

We see silly, basic errors in almost every game. That suggests that he's not working hard on the basics in training, whatever you or Pep thinks.

 

[PhillyBasedBlue]

I think by his standards, he's had a below par season , but so have a few other players. However You look through all the other keepers in the Premier league and I wouldn't swap him for anyone, you could maybe put an argument in for Alison at Liverpool. I think that shows how good he's been for us over the past few seasons.

Id get courtois/neuer in a heartbeat though

 

[blueparrot]

Going round in circles won't convince me or anyone else with experience/knowledge of goalkeeping that Ederson is a good keeper.

We see silly, basic errors in almost every game. That suggests that he's not working hard on the basics in training, whatever you or Pep thinks.

Whatever Pep thinks you know better, okay. The suggestion Pep or any top coach for that matter would tolerate him not working hard in training is, frankly ridiculous.

 

[Utter bobbins]

Yawn

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Id get courtois/neuer in a heartbeat though

Neuer is past it. Courtois wouldn't leave Real Madrid, shits the bed with the ball at his feet and fuck him in general.

Mike Maignan at Milan looks really good.

 

[Kamaro011]

Id get courtois/neuer in a heartbeat though

Prime Neuer yes, Cortouis no.

 

[Lavinda Past]

Whatever Pep thinks you know better, okay. The suggestion Pep or any top coach for that matter would tolerate him not working hard in training is, frankly ridiculous.

You just keep going round in circles. You're obviously not actually paying attention to my comments, probably because you're closed to any perceived criticism of City players.

I've gone into detail on here about what I see as Ederson's weaknesses as a goalkeeper. I'll say it one last time for the hard of thinking...

I don't think that Ederson works hard enough on the basics. Regardless of what Pep or anyone else thinks, that, in my opinion, is where he needs to improve his game.

Try taking off your blinkers for a while and accept that not every City fan believes that everything is as perfect as you seem to.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

You just keep going round in circles. You're obviously not actually paying attention to my comments, probably because you're closed to any perceived criticism of City players.

I've gone into detail on here about what I see as Ederson's weaknesses as a goalkeeper. I'll say it one last time for the hard of thinking...

I don't think that Ederson works hard enough on the basics. Regardless of what Pep or anyone else thinks, that, in my opinion, is where he needs to improve his game.

Try taking off your blinkers for a while and accept that not every City fan believes that everything is as perfect as you seem to.

Serious question, do you believe that Pep would ever allow a player who he believed had fundamental problems with aspects of his game, application or commitment in training etc, to play on a regular basis in this City team ?

 

[Bluewars]

Serious question, do you believe that Pep would ever allow a player who he believed had fundamental problems with aspects of his game, application or commitment in training etc, to play on a regular basis in this City team ?

Yes, Joao Cancelo.

 

[blueparrot]

You just keep going round in circles. You're obviously not actually paying attention to my comments, probably because you're closed to any perceived criticism of City players.

I've gone into detail on here about what I see as Ederson's weaknesses as a goalkeeper. I'll say it one last time for the hard of thinking...

I don't think that Ederson works hard enough on the basics. Regardless of what Pep or anyone else thinks, that, in my opinion, is where he needs to improve his game.

Try taking off your blinkers for a while and accept that not every City fan believes that everything is as perfect as you seem to.

Not saying he’s perfect, not saying any player is. I’m saying the opposite in fact nobody is perfect, but you think a player at his level and a coaches at the level ours are don’t try and improve every part of the players game and work every day at it, then what exactly do you think they do in training.
No player including Ederson will be great at everything, but to think they and he don’t work hard on all parts of his game and every players game shows a lack of understanding how professional and meticulous our club and it’s coaches are.

 

[Scottyboi]

That Alisson fella looks good.

 

[Lavinda Past]

Serious question, do you believe that Pep would ever allow a player who he believed had fundamental problems with aspects of his game, application or commitment in training etc, to play on a regular basis in this City team ?

Yes. As i see it, Pep Guardiola doesn't see his keeper as a keeper. He sees them as a sweeper.
That's why I think the Golden Glove awards are a reflection of the whole defence rather than Ederson.

 

[Lavinda Past]

Not saying he’s perfect, not saying any player is. I’m saying the opposite in fact nobody is perfect, but you think a player at his level and a coaches at the level ours are don’t try and improve every part of the players game and work every day at it, then what exactly do you think they do in training.
No player including Ederson will be great at everything, but to think they and he don’t work hard on all parts of his game and every players game shows a lack of understanding how professional and meticulous our club and it’s coaches are.

**shakes head in disbelief**

 

[blueparrot]

**shakes head in disbelief**

So you dont beleive players and coaches work hard at improving their games , fair enough, carry on.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Yes. As i see it, Pep Guardiola doesn't see his keeper as a keeper. He sees them as a sweeper.
That's why I think the Golden Glove awards are a reflection of the whole defence rather than Ederson.

Ok - not that I agree as Pep is not a manager who imo is accepting of such fundamental matters, but if that is what you believe.