31 | Ederson - 2022/23 Performances

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city warrior said:
I think people really get defensive on Ederson. I think it's pretty fair to say that he has had his worst season by far. Distribution declined a little bit, while on average GK distribution is much better nowadays, and the breach between Ederson and other elite GK is closer than ever.

I have zero doubts Ederson is by far the worst GK Pep has had. Valdes was immense on 1v1 (check the Arsenal UCL final) and Neuer is another level. For Pep, distribution is too important, but people here talk like Ederson is the most important player. Ortega has played against Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool and our build up was just as good.

People also need to understand GK is a very different position. For Pep, once a GK is a starter, it will be a starter for the entire season as long as his distribution is good. And of course, Pep will not criticize Ederson, because it's a position where confidence is the most important thing.

But four things are true:

1. Ederson's season is the worst for him in all the stats. He is the worst GK in PL stats this season.
2. As a sweeper he is not as good as he used to, and his decision making is not as good as used to be (Tottenham, Arsenal PK, Leipzig...).
3. Ederson has never saved us. He doesn't lose us matches (almost never), but he never will win us matches either.
4. The best two matches of a GK this season for us had Ortega as GK.
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city warrior said:
I think people really get defensive on Ederson. I think it's pretty fair to say that he has had his worst season by far. Distribution declined a little bit, while on average GK distribution is much better nowadays, and the breach between Ederson and other elite GK is closer than ever.

I have zero doubts Ederson is by far the worst GK Pep has had. Valdes was immense on 1v1 (check the Arsenal UCL final) and Neuer is another level. For Pep, distribution is too important, but people here talk like Ederson is the most important player. Ortega has played against Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool and our build up was just as good.

People also need to understand GK is a very different position. For Pep, once a GK is a starter, it will be a starter for the entire season as long as his distribution is good. And of course, Pep will not criticize Ederson, because it's a position where confidence is the most important thing.

But four things are true:

1. Ederson's season is the worst for him in all the stats. He is the worst GK in PL stats this season.
2. As a sweeper he is not as good as he used to, and his decision making is not as good as used to be (Tottenham, Arsenal PK, Leipzig...).
3. Ederson has never saved us. He doesn't lose us matches (almost never), but he never will win us matches either.
4. The best two matches of a GK this season for us had Ortega as GK.
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On point 3, some fans have short memories. Obviously forgotten the brilliant save to thwart Tielemans at the King Power stadium.
 
Withnail said:
On point 3, some fans have short memories. Obviously forgotten the brilliant save to thwart Tielemans at the King Power stadium.
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I just watched the highlights. Do you mean the shot that was going straight to where Ederson was standing? Sure it was hsrd and a good save, but I would never call that save brilliant. Ederson was right there, and he was even a little bit slow to react (in fairness to him it's a corner so there were a lot of players in front).

With respect to point 3 is like saying: Sterling's accuracy is poor, and you showing me a moment where he was world class. Of course you and anyone will find a good save from Ederson. Just like I or anyoke can find bad mistakes from him. Both of those are really rare though, which is my point.
 
city warrior said:
I just watched the highlights. Do you mean the shot that was going straight to where Ederson was standing? Sure it was hsrd and a good save, but I would never call that save brilliant. Ederson was right there, and he was even a little bit slow to react (in fairness to him it's a corner so there were a lot of players in front).

With respect to point 3 is like saying: Sterling's accuracy is poor, and you showing me a moment where he was world class. Of course you and anyone will find a good save from Ederson. Just like I or anyoke can find bad mistakes from him. Both of those are really rare though, which is my point.
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I get that you don't rate Ederson, but that was a very good/brilliant save. He has his faults but to say Ederson never saves us is just not true.
 
city warrior said:
I just watched the highlights. Do you mean the shot that was going straight to where Ederson was standing? Sure it was hsrd and a good save, but I would never call that save brilliant. Ederson was right there, and he was even a little bit slow to react (in fairness to him it's a corner so there were a lot of players in front).

With respect to point 3 is like saying: Sterling's accuracy is poor, and you showing me a moment where he was world class. Of course you and anyone will find a good save from Ederson. Just like I or anyoke can find bad mistakes from him. Both of those are really rare though, which is my point.
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We can all pick and choose from videos.

It's worth remembering that Nery Castillo and Jo were brilliant on videos.

I fully expect that the number of Ederson errors well outnumber those of good saves. Of course, that almost certainly applies to most goalkeepers.

It's the silly, basic, and invariably avoidable errors that stand out with Ederson. He's not a great goalkeeper just because he makes a few good saves in a couple of games.
 
Maine Shark said:
If we were playing the 2nd leg against Bayern and it was all square heading to the end of extra time and getting ready for penalties. Would you take off Ederson and put on Ortega?
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I have zero confidence in Ederson when he faces penalties. He lacks the speed and agility to react or stretch into the areas shots need to be saved. I absolutely would fancy Ortega to make a few saves.
 
Lavinda Past said:
We can all pick and choose from videos.

It's worth remembering that Nery Castillo and Jo were brilliant on videos.

I fully expect that the number of Ederson errors well outnumber those of good saves. Of course, that almost certainly applies to most goalkeepers.

It's the silly, basic, and invariably avoidable errors that stand out with Ederson. He's not a great goalkeeper just because he makes a few good saves in a couple of games.
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There is not a goalkeeper that has lived that does not make mistakes.

Ederson is a top keeper, you don't play for the best club side in the world if your not.

Ortega is a superb no2, probably far too good for that role but be careful what you wish in terms of Ederson, he is a huge part of this club on and off the field.
 
Keeper! said:
There is not a goalkeeper that has lived that does not make mistakes.

Ederson is a top keeper, you don't play for the best club side in the world if your not.

Ortega is a superb no2, probably far too good for that role but be careful what you wish in terms of Ederson, he is a huge part of this club on and off the field.
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I know that mate. We'd be mad to sell him. That's why I've never advocated 'getting rid' as some others have on here!

He's definitely good at what he's good at, but can be a lot better with a bit more attention to the basics imo

There's a great keeper in there, he just needs to iron out the basic errors.
 
Lavinda Past said:
I know that mate. We'd be mad to sell him. That's why I've never advocated 'getting rid' as some others have on here!

He's definitely good at what he's good at, but can be a lot better with a bit more attention to the basics imo

There's a great keeper in there, he just needs to iron out the basic errors.
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What are these basic errors?

As said before ALL keepers make errors, it's how they get over them that defines them, strong character and there is not a stronger character at the club than Ederson.
 
Keeper! said:
What are these basic errors?

As said before ALL keepers make errors, it's how they get over them that defines them, strong character and there is not a stronger character at the club than Ederson.
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I've been over this so many times! In a nutshell:

Reckless / uncontrolled dashes out of the box.
Not commanding, taking responsibility in his 6-yard box
Sometimes, erratic positioning at corners, free kicks.
Underhitting passes to players under pressure
Unconvincing shot-stopping.

He's a big lad but he lacks the 'controlled presence' of a keeper like (say) Pat Jennings or Peter Schmeichel.

As I say, there's a great keeper in there. It just needs a great goalkeeping coach to bring it out.
 
The 2nd goal we scored today is a perfect example of what ederson brings to the team. He would have swept up the pressure and Liverpool would have had a throw. Instead allison is glued to his line and mahrez puts the cross in and kdb goal.

Ederson may not be the best shot stopper but as a sweeper and distributor he is world class (2 things that are so important in modern football).
 
Some really good saves today, all be it needless. Couple of shaky kicks, some bloody delightful balls.

Alisson’s De Gea impression shows how important he is to us.

Teams simply don’t try and turn us as if you ping one over the top, he’s there. He’s so front footed, so he’ll make mistakes, but for us, he’s perfect.
 
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