PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Centurions said:
It's old ground now but I thought it was as much because CAS looked at the evidence dispassionately rather than deciding we were guilty before they started.
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I suspect it's a little from column A, a little from column B, we were definitely fined for non cooperation with UEFA's investigation though.
 
Leech said:
Well we were 100% un-cooperative with UEFA's investigation, hence CAS upholding UEFA's fine for this lack of cooperation. Given all of the other charges were dropped, it stands to reason that we produced a lot of evidence at CAS that we did not provide to UEFA.
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I think City knew from the start it was a case of not cooperating and going straight to Cas.
UEFA were the accuser, judge and jury so no way were City going to show their hand to UEFA.
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
I think City knew from the start it was a case of not cooperating and going straight to Cas.
UEFA were the accuser, judge and jury so no way were City going to show their hand to UEFA.
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Which I guess leads to the issue that through the CAS proceedings, we now have shown our hand to the Premier League.

So the Premier League are now in a slightly more advantageous position to UEFA, who were essentially just walking blindfolded into a legal killing zone.
 
Leech said:
Which I guess leads to the issue that through the CAS proceedings, we now have shown our hand to the Premier League.

So the Premier League are now in a slightly more advantageous position to UEFA, who were essentially just walking blindfolded into a legal killing zone.
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I thought the UEFA and PL charges were not necessarily the same therefore the hand has not been fully shown
 
Leech said:
Which I guess leads to the issue that through the CAS proceedings, we now have shown our hand to the Premier League.

So the Premier League are now in a slightly more advantageous position to UEFA, who were essentially just walking blindfolded into a legal killing zone.
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Both investigations have been running in parallel based on the same hacked emails, the PL have seen CAS throw everything but the non- cooperation charges out of the window. Although there will be differences in the charges I see it as us having very much the upper hand.
 
Leech said:
Not sure whether I'm alone in feeling like this situation is a much more disconcerting than the previous UEFA equivalent.
Namely, on the previous occasion we were at least given a firm punishment by UEFA of no Champions League for two seasons. This made it easier to work backwards from this punishment by factoring in that we had been completely non-compliant with UEFA's investigation, thus consider what reduced punishment may result from the new evidence we'd likely provide in the CAS appeal.

Having no punishment specified by the Premier League makes even speculating on a roadmap ahead very difficult.
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We've just announced a 300m expansion, signed Alvarez to longer deal and if reports are right haaland could be signing a new contract as well.

All announced after the investigation news broke.

That speaks absolute volumes to me.
 
Centurions said:
Both investigations have been running in parallel based on the same hacked emails, the PL have seen CAS throw everything but the non- cooperation charges out of the window. Although there will be differences in the charges I see it as us having very much the upper hand.
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Which makes you wonder what the Premier League's motivations are in all this.

If they've already seen UEFA have their arses handed to them in a very similar court proceeding, why would the Premier League then choose to follow in those exact same doomed footsteps?
 
Leech said:
Which makes you wonder what the Premier League's motivations are in all this.

If they've already seen UEFA have their arses handed to them in a very similar court proceeding, why would the Premier League then choose to follow in those exact same doomed footsteps?
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It to appease their members (namely the redtops) and to show the government they can police their own house. If they try no one can accuse them of not trying. City seemed confident when the UEFA charges were levelled at us, they seem EXTRA confident this time; that is good enough for me.
 
Mancity1980 said:
It to appease their members (namely the redtops) and to show the government they can police their own house. If they try no one can accuse them of not trying. City seemed confident when the UEFA charges were levelled at us, they seem EXTRA confident this time; that is good enough for me.
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But if this all ends in the Premier League taking a comprehensive pounding in court, then will that really enhance their reputation as a respectable and competent body?

Say what you like about the Premier League, but the public image they have carefully cultivated over many years now is one of slickness and coordination. It would be very surprising if they were suddenly carefree and foolish enough to throw all of that away.
 
Leech said:
But if this all ends in the Premier League taking a comprehensive pounding in court, then will that really enhance their reputation as a respectable and competent body?

Say what you like about the Premier League, but the public image they have carefully cultivated over many years now is one of slickness and coordination. It would be very surprising if they were suddenly carefree and foolish enough to throw all of that away.
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I get it, you are worried. However no matter how slick and coordinated appear the EPL come across UEFA are bigger so why should they be anymore successful? Also I am not so sure losing a court case will damage them that much in the long term.
 
Mancity1980 said:
I get it, you are worried. However no matter how slick and coordinated appear the EPL come across UEFA are bigger so why should they be anymore successful? Also I am not so sure losing a court case will damage them that much in the long term.
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Unless we file a court case for defamation by accusing us of committing fraud.

Very much like how 1 company is suing Fox in the US for defamation by accusing them of committing fraud. They are suing for 1.6 BILLION.

I'm sure City could sue for much more than that! And since we likely have the receipts.. we could get a judgment that would really damage the EPL and those teams who have a vendetta against City.

But its only if we have the balls to go to court!
 
Leech said:
But if this all ends in the Premier League taking a comprehensive pounding in court, then will that really enhance their reputation as a respectable and competent body?

Say what you like about the Premier League, but the public image they have carefully cultivated over many years now is one of slickness and coordination. It would be very surprising if they were suddenly carefree and foolish enough to throw all of that away.
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And I am also sure the British Government will not be very impressed with the PL basically saying the Abu Dhabi Deputy PM is lying , cheating and allowing his business to commit fraud, especially with the Billions that the UAE and Abu Dhabi invest in our Nation.
 
Keeper! said:
And I am also sure the British Government will not be very impressed with the PL basically saying the Abu Dhabi Deputy PM is lying , cheating and allowing his business to commit fraud, especially with the Billions that the UAE and Abu Dhabi invest in our Nation.
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Sorry, are you talking about the British government that for years has lied, cheated and allowed its cronies to commit fraud themselves? I don't think the moral high ground is all that high in this case
 
NZBlue said:
Hardly a glowing endorsement though
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Correct but we only have that route to defend ourselves because our owners concentration on fiscal matters only and ignoring baseless allegations has been upset by the very Organisation it has contributed so much to.
 
Blue_Lightsaber said:
Unless we file a court case for defamation by accusing us of committing fraud.

Very much like how 1 company is suing Fox in the US for defamation by accusing them of committing fraud. They are suing for 1.6 BILLION.

I'm sure City could sue for much more than that! And since we likely have the receipts.. we could get a judgment that would really damage the EPL and those teams who have a vendetta against City.

But its only if we have the balls to go to court!
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That assumes we will sue the Premier League
 
NZBlue said:
Sorry, are you talking about the British government that for years has lied, cheated and allowed its cronies to commit fraud themselves? I don't think the moral high ground is all that high in this case
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I think you’re confusing Government with the machinery of Government. That operates practically independently of party politics and isn’t a Tory v Labour thing.
Close Government ties between Abu Dhabi and the U.K. have been long-term and transcend the party politics of the day.
 
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