North Stand Construction Discussion

[nmc]

I don’t think it will be. Makes no sense if they want a home end. That also goes against what’s been mentioned on here and elsewhere.

A lot of people are guessing based on the images of the glass windows in the expanded second tier. I’d imagine if there is a corporate offer it will be behind the stand / looking through the glass

Corporate seating in a home end would make the whole idea of an atmospheric end pointless.

We’re relying on mainly locals and our hardcore match goers to fill our end at Wembley - we need to be attracting/ keeping these fans for the expansion not pricing them out.

If we want more corporate seating it’s more likely it will be in the South or East stands… I suspect the new North Stand Level 2 will be all safe standing apart from a few disabled areas,

 

[jrb]

utd have had corporate seats in the stretford end for a number of years.

That’s why it’s shit. :-)

And why United now have a 1500 capacity singing section on the corner in-between the Stretford End and the main stand overlooking the players tunnel. How convenient and well thought out.

 

[jrb]

If we want more corporate seating it’s more likely it will be in the South or East stands… I suspect the new North Stand Level 2 will be all safe standing apart from a few disabled areas,

I can see corporate fanning out along the remaining blocks of L2.(not the NSL2 expansion, hopefully) One day all of L2 will be padded seats with the club charging for that luxury, amongst other things.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

The whole of North Stand should be like the Kop at Anfield and the Yellow Wall in Dortmund, this can be easily achieved by setting up a website that is linked to the club via either a supporters club or an organisation like 1894. For fans wishing to be in the North Stand they simply click on a button to transfer their seat to North Stand. The club should not dictate where the fans should go, if you want to sing and wave flags etc then the North Stand is for you if you don't want to sing etc then the North Stand is not for you.

Regarding the set-up of the stand, the whole stand should be safe standing, with no family section in that stand at all that should be moved to another section of the ground.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

The whole of North Stand should be like the Kop at Anfield and the Yellow Wall in Dortmund, this can be easily achieved by setting up a website that is linked to the club via either a supporters club or an organisation like 1894. For fans wishing to be in the North Stand they simply click on a button to transfer their seat to North Stand. The club should not dictate where the fans should go, if you want to sing and wave flags etc then the North Stand is for you if you don't want to sing etc then the North Stand is not for you.

Regarding the set-up of the stand, the whole stand should be safe standing, with no family section in that stand at all that should be moved to another section of the ground.

When the survey closes it would be very informative if 1894 disclosed the outcome in consolidated form.

The suggestions on this thread are many and varied but probably with a handful of common themes.

Many hold the view that this is the best, and probably last, opportunity to undertake beneficial relocations and reconfigurations, which in my view must include the second home end in SS3, relocation of displaced away fans round the corner in addition to the NS.

Over to 1894.

 

[Stephen230]

utd have had corporate seats in the stretford end for a number of years.

I’ve had tickets a few times in the Stretford End, for the rugby final, which came with a pass for a proper bar in the stand. Nothing special. But glass pint pots and tables and chairs. Not sure if that counts as low end ‘corporate’? Probably equivalent to 93:20. Although I’ve never been in there so can’t really compare.

 

[willipp]

When the survey closes it would be very informative if 1894 disclosed the outcome in consolidated form.

The suggestions on this thread are many and varied but probably with a handful of common themes.

Many hold the view that this is the best, and probably last, opportunity to undertake beneficial relocations and reconfigurations, which in my view must include the second home end in SS3, relocation of displaced away fans round the corner in addition to the NS.

Over to 1894.

Why do we need two home ends? No ground i can think of has two home ends that are for atmosphere? Why spread the wealth? We need to go all in on the the new NS and encourage, inscentivise as many as possible to move.

 

[Captain Flint]

Regarding the set-up of the stand, the whole stand should be safe standing, with no family section in that stand at all that should be moved to another section of the ground.

I agree about the whole stand, no family section. You can have the most active and colorful and loud home end in NS2, the early leavers in L1 will still make it look bad. We need the whole thing and everyone who choses to be in NS should know from the get go that NS is for singing.

 

[trevorriley]

The whole of North Stand should be like the Kop at Anfield and the Yellow Wall in Dortmund, this can be easily achieved by setting up a website that is linked to the club via either a supporters club or an organisation like 1894. For fans wishing to be in the North Stand they simply click on a button to transfer their seat to North Stand. The club should not dictate where the fans should go, if you want to sing and wave flags etc then the North Stand is for you if you don't want to sing etc then the North Stand is not for you.

Regarding the set-up of the stand, the whole stand should be safe standing, with no family section in that stand at all that should be moved to another section of the ground.

this is almost what i am telling the club in meetings, if it doesnt happen please dont think it is from lack of effort from 1894.

What you say above is simple, straight forward and will work. My worry is that the club try to satisfy to many different groups of people and end up with a new north stand that "everybody gets but nobody wants". I think the biggest problems will be corporate and family end moving.

Cant wait to wave a 4m telescopic and hear "move that flag i cant see and it wasnt here last season". Mind you we can guarantee most home games somebody fkn says that in 115 !

 

[trevorriley]

There's no way the away fans will move too as that creates another relocation headache for the fans it displaces. I suspect having them opposite the "atmosphere" end probably helps the police and security too as there are often incidents at the segregation. It is of course nonsense to suggest that City will move them just so they can't be heard.

dave will they listen ? The major stumbling block is police & security no matter how much people say well its just as easy in opposite corner.

Im going to make a big banner saying away fans are not moving... Somebody will shout "move that flag i cant see"

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Why do we need two home ends? No ground i can think of has two home ends that are for atmosphere? Why spread the wealth? We need to go all in on the the new NS and encourage, inscentivise as many as possible to move.

Plenty of clubs have two singing/ standing ends at opposite ends of the ground. Arsenal, leeds, Chelsea to name a few

Why wouldn’t we keep the south stand as it is and have a proper home end as well

 

[Stephen230]

Plenty of clubs have two singing/ standing ends at opposite ends of the ground. Arsenal, leeds, Chelsea to name a few

Why wouldn’t we keep the south stand as it is and have a proper home end as well

Maybe because, despite what the consensus in this thread seems to be, all the actual evidence points towards the majority of fans wanting a seat where they can sit back and watch the match in relative comfort. Most people don’t want to stand. Most people don’t want to be part of a ‘singing section.’

I doubt anybody has a problem with those areas existing for those who do want that. I just suspect some on here are overestimating the numbers who actually want to be part of it.

 

[nmc]

The North and South Stands need to be similarly priced - both value for money - with a simple choice - if you want to sing and go crazy - select the North Stand - if you want to sit and watch the game and join in the occasional song (or if your kids are quite young) - sit in the South. We don't want Tom, Dick and Harry going to the North stand - just because its cheap - we want people who buy into the ethos standing in there making a racket.

 

[willipp]

Plenty of clubs have two singing/ standing ends at opposite ends of the ground. Arsenal, leeds, Chelsea to name a few

Why wouldn’t we keep the south stand as it is and have a proper home end as well

Mainly the fact we currently have 3 signing areas and its a total shit show for the atmosphere. Whole point of having a 'home' end is to get those groups together. If we don't and people just stay in he same places then we end up with 4 singing areas and it will be even worse.

 

[jrb]

Plenty of clubs have two singing/ standing ends at opposite ends of the ground. Arsenal, leeds, Chelsea to name a few

Why wouldn’t we keep the south stand as it is and have a proper home end as well

Chelsea is stretching it a bit. And Arsenal have just done that with their Ultras at the other end of the ground.

I think only Leeds and maybe Newcastle have 2 proper singing ends at each end of their grounds in the PL. We’ll be the 3rd in 3 years time, hopefully.

115 - SSL1 and SSL1 in general should remain a singing section after NSL2 has been completed.

 

[trevorriley]

I would sooner see all singers in one end, we are spreading out our singers to much if we look a two singing ends, lets do one end properly not dilute the singers we have.

At main road we could kind of manage two ends, but now it is a totally different football fan.

At the moment we try to get lower SS / kippax corner / SS3 singing together and it doesnt work, each of the three singing areas has only 300 - 700 singers in it. So it is better with one big end with 2,000 fans plus in it. There are singers in the family stand ( they started a poznan in there Vs liverpool ) we have singers dotted around in other level 3's.

But lets get in one end in new north stand. Spread the singers across the back and middle of the new tier two and say two blocks behind the goals in new tier one.

I understand the importance of being at the back of tier two under the roof, but personally and i know a lot of other fans feel this way,i want to be nearer to the pitch not up with the gods. For me i want atmosphere and displays, it will be easier to control displays if we have a presence in both the new teirs.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

I would sooner see all singers in one end, we are spreading out our singers to much if we look a two singing ends, lets do one end properly not dilute the singers we have.

At main road we could kind of manage two ends, but now it is a totally different football fan.

At the moment we try to get lower SS / kippax corner / SS3 singing together and it doesnt work, each of the three singing areas has only 300 - 700 singers in it. So it is better with one big end with 2,000 fans plus in it. There are singers in the family stand ( they started a poznan in there Vs liverpool ) we have singers dotted around in other level 3's.

But lets get in one end in new north stand. Spread the singers across the back and middle of the new tier two and say two blocks behind the goals in new tier one.

I understand the importance of being at the back of tier two under the roof, but personally and i know a lot of other fans feel this way,i want to be nearer to the pitch not up with the gods. For me i want atmosphere and displays, it will be easier to control displays if we have a presence in both the new teirs.

Spot on Trevor Riley, how many of 1894 are on here Manchester33 and JRB and yourself is there anymore

 

[HelloCity]

I would sooner see all singers in one end, we are spreading out our singers to much if we look a two singing ends, lets do one end properly not dilute the singers we have.

At main road we could kind of manage two ends, but now it is a totally different football fan.

At the moment we try to get lower SS / kippax corner / SS3 singing together and it doesnt work, each of the three singing areas has only 300 - 700 singers in it. So it is better with one big end with 2,000 fans plus in it. There are singers in the family stand ( they started a poznan in there Vs liverpool ) we have singers dotted around in other level 3's.

But lets get in one end in new north stand. Spread the singers across the back and middle of the new tier two and say two blocks behind the goals in new tier one.

I understand the importance of being at the back of tier two under the roof, but personally and i know a lot of other fans feel this way,i want to be nearer to the pitch not up with the gods. For me i want atmosphere and displays, it will be easier to control displays if we have a presence in both the new teirs.

Displays would be better in the new tier. It’ll be the only larger tier in the stadium meaning bigger flags and banners etc are possible without having to be spread over 2 tiers.

If the fans get spread over two tiers instead, then it will just create the same disconnect we have now where people in the upper tier are out of sync or can’t hear those in the lower section and vice versa.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

Plenty of clubs have two singing/ standing ends at opposite ends of the ground. Arsenal, leeds, Chelsea to name a few

Why wouldn’t we keep the south stand as it is and have a proper home end as well

100%

Maine Rd had the NS AND the Kippax.

They sparked orf each other and generated a hell of an atmosphere.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

I would sooner see all singers in one end, we are spreading out our singers to much if we look a two singing ends, lets do one end properly not dilute the singers we have.

At main road we could kind of manage two ends, but now it is a totally different football fan.

At the moment we try to get lower SS / kippax corner / SS3 singing together and it doesnt work, each of the three singing areas has only 300 - 700 singers in it. So it is better with one big end with 2,000 fans plus in it. There are singers in the family stand ( they started a poznan in there Vs liverpool ) we have singers dotted around in other level 3's.

But lets get in one end in new north stand. Spread the singers across the back and middle of the new tier two and say two blocks behind the goals in new tier one.

I understand the importance of being at the back of tier two under the roof, but personally and i know a lot of other fans feel this way,i want to be nearer to the pitch not up with the gods. For me i want atmosphere and displays, it will be easier to control displays if we have a presence in both the new teirs.

We can have two atmosphere ends which is better than one.

Not everyone will want to relocate to the NS.

They should be grouped together in SS3 to create their end and be considered equally by 1894 which should be for all fans not just NS fans.

‘ You’ll never take the South Stand ‘ !!