North Stand Construction Discussion

That is exactly what Joes is… a Bovril and pie. Some of the posters think it is full on 3 course carvery dinner.

Im a season ticket holder in 93:20 and there’s loads on decent passionate blues in there…. BUT there are also significant numbers of tourists, corporate types on a jolly with no or little interest in the game and a smattering of away fans. For lesser games there are also quite a few empty seats. I’m not sure about a hospitality area like this right at the front of level 2…. if indeed that is the case.
 
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The more I read and see pictures shout this, the more disappointed I get.

Fragmenting NSL2 which we all wanted as a vocal stand with safe standing with hospitality and corporate areas, as well as not having safe standing, is extremely disappointing.

But so is the architecture of the whole proposal.

The hotel looks like an average 1960s office block in Hull.

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City Square looks like Golden Square shopping centre in Warrington and not a space for football fans pre- and post-game.

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The NSL2 tier itself looks too shallow so that by the time you’re at the back, you’ll be miles away from the pitch. It should be much steeper so you feel on top of the pitch.

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I’m disappointed with this to be honest.
 
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All the mouth you’ve given about this issue and now you’re “not arsed and not moving”. For fuck’s sake.

All the mouth! Please. What is that supposed to mean??

You mean I’ve taken a keen interest the thread and proposal over 434 pages? You mean I’ve fully supported the proposal? You mean I’ve spent my time taking pictures of the soil testing rigs, etc. You mean I’ve spent my time going through the planning application and posting information and CGI’s on this thread?

That’s right, I won’t be moving to the North stand if the club go ahead with 600 hospitality seats at the front of L2. I’m not standing behind or to the side of 600 hospitality seats at the front of L2.

If the club had been honest and made it clear that 600 hospitality seats were going at the front if NSL2 during the fan consultation, I would have stated there and then that I wouldn’t be moving to the NS. But the club didn’t. They kept that quiet on purpose because they knew it would go down like a bomb. Baring a couple of people making the revenue argument, there hasn’t been a single person or City fan on this thread and that I know who is in favour of putting 600 hospitality seats at the front of L2.

The 600 hospitality seats at the front of L2 aside, we don’t know if L2 will be safe standing or not. It doesn’t look like it will be because the club won’t put safe standing seats around 600 hospitality seats at the front of L2, and in-front of the hospitality seats at the back of the L2. So myself and many others won’t be moving from our safe standing seats in SSL1.

If the club have a rethink, which I doubt, and make L2 safe standing and affordable seating, I will move to NSL2, like I’ve always said I would.

Anyway. Have a nice day and enjoy the match if you’re going?
 
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Im a season ticket holder in 93:20 and there’s loads on decent passionate blues in there…. BUT there are also significant numbers of tourists, corporate types on a jolly with no or little interest in the game and a smattering of away fans. For lesser games there are also quite a few empty seats. I’m not sure about a hospitality area like this right at the front of level 2…. if indeed that is the case.
This has to be an absolute No!!! 1894 and other groups need to get assurances on this, you can not and should have a home end with away fans.
 
You can't object to having hospitality seats at the front of tier 2 on the planning portal. You could I suppose but it will be laughed at and rightly ignored. Idiotic suggestion.
You can object to whatever you want on the planning system but it needs to be written in planning terminology, which happens all the time, the club and its agents see this then they put in a planning amendment to rectify the issue, moaning on here going to do nothing.
 
Im a season ticket holder in 93:20 and there’s loads on decent passionate blues in there…. BUT there are also significant numbers of tourists, corporate types on a jolly with no or little interest in the game and a smattering of away fans. For lesser games there are also quite a few empty seats. I’m not sure about a hospitality area like this right at the front of level 2…. if indeed that is the case.
I suspect only those that would like to be part of the atmosphere would relocate to the new premium seating. Those that don't want to be would most likely stay where they are.

I really don't think it will be a problem as long as they are predominantly season ticket holders.
 
Skyscraper City seem underwhelmed with the whole proposal n’all.


That’s just because it’s City tbf. I read one fan saying it looked like the new stand at Fulham. If we can get rid of the corporate seats at the front it will be a fantastic development.
 
This has to be an absolute No!!! 1894 and other groups need to get assurances on this, you can not and should have a home end with away fans.

I‘m just telling it how it is….and however we dress hospitality up to being different to corporate there are still potential issues. There’s a row in front of me - 6 or 7 seats….I don’t know who’s seats they are or even if there’s season tickets in place but there are different people sat there for most games… and for a few games they are completely empty. It’s pitiful. Some weeks they turn up late, leave early for half time, often don’t return for the second half and frequently you can tell they are away fans - they keep quiet but you can tell when they just sit quiet when we score. The 93:20 seats are good seats… I chose to stay when they became hospitality but it rankles that decent blues were forced out and now some of the best seats sit empty or are occupied by people who couldn’t give a damn.
 
wasnt there a video going around recently of a load of youngsters still singing on having their pints on a concourse at the etihad after the second half had kicked off? I think some of got so fixated on what they think will work that anything outside of that isnt good enough?

It’s about 20 young City fans. Keeping the chants going at the back of at half-time in the bar area at the back of SSL1, behaving themselves, and generally having a good time. Then they go back to their seats and carry on the chanting.
 
Skyscraper City seem underwhelmed with the whole proposal n’all.


Architectural love in…. They dish most developments. I’m sure the club wants something practical and affordable and won’t lose too much sleep if we don’t win a Pritzker!
 
Just as well they're not corporate seats then isn't it? I'd have thought you'd know the difference given your earlier posts.
You can't object to having hospitality seats at the front of tier 2 on the planning portal. You could I suppose but it will be laughed at and rightly ignored. Idiotic suggestion.

Can you object to padded seats? ;-)
 
It’s about 20 young City fans. Keeping the chants going at the back of at half-time in the bar area at the back of SSL1, behaving themselves, and generally having a good time. Then they go back to their seats and carry on the chanting.

mate i have no issue with that at all? Until the club confirm anything else though and any reasons people (only imo) need to wait and see and hear from the club confirming things before losing their marbles?
 
Architectural love in…. They dish most developments. I’m sure the club wants something practical and affordable and won’t lose too much sleep if we don’t win a Pritzker!

yeah there is some fucking weapons commenting on it on there to be honest mate.
 
There is a paradox here though, the club wants the hospitality customers to feel 'the thrill of the loudest mental home end' but by placing them in the very best seats of NS, which is the front rows of NS2, they clearly alienate the 'mental' singing fans who are supposed to do the noise, as seen in this thread. The club would be very wrong to sacrifice the ideals of the actual, current, match going singers who have asked for years to have a proper home end, to satisfy the needs of 600 hospitality customers who may or may not be singers. At this point I get the impression the club overestimates: 1. how many of the current singers are still willing to move to NS2 from SS1, SS3 and 109-111 after they see the plans and understand that they are not given a proper home end, but one mixed with hospitality at the forefront; 2. failing to attract those singers, how many of the current non-singers in other parts of the stadium will be willing to move there and start singing (tall order), and how many new (and old) fans, currently not going to the Etihad games, can they attract with good pricing in the new NS2 and convince them to be 'mental 'singers (even taller order).
I think everyone who has been lobby-ing for years for this to happen, knowing it really is the last chance to build a loud home end, are entitled to feel let down if that hospitality stays there. Just move it to the freaking corners, the hospitality customers will still be near the 'loud mental' singers and can still join the choir if they want. And the club would be truly naive to think they can start a home end from scratch and replace the alienated existing singers with 'new' singers. New singers is a rare resource, you need to cater to what you already have and build from there.
+1.
 
All the mouth! Please. What is that supposed to mean??

You mean I’ve taken a keen interest the thread and proposal over 434 pages? You mean I’ve fully supported the proposal? You mean I’ve spent my time taking pictures of the soil testing rigs, etc. You mean I’ve spent my time going through the planning application and posting information and CGI’s on this thread?

That’s right, I won’t be moving to the North stand if the club go ahead with 600 hospitality seats at the front of L2. I’m not standing behind or to the side of 600 hospitality seats at the front of L2.

If the club had been honest and made it clear that 600 hospitality seats were going at the front if NSL2 during the fan consultation, I would have stated there and then that I wouldn’t be moving to NS. But the club didn’t. They kept that quiet on purpose because they knew it would go down like a bomb. Baring a couple of people making the revenue argument, there hasn’t been a single person or City fan on this thread and that I know who is in favour of putting 600 hospitality seats at the front of L2.

The 600 hospitality seats at the front of L2 aside, we don’t know if L2 will be safe standing or not. It doesn’t look like it will be because the club won’t put safe standing seats around 600 hospitality seats at the front of L2, and in-front of the hospitality seats at the back of the L2. So myself and many others won’t move from our safe standing seats in SSL1.

If the club have a rethink, which I doubt, and make L2 safe standing and affordable seating, I will move to NSL2, like I’ve always said I would.

Anyway. Have a nice day and enjoy the match if you’re going?
Mouth was maybe harsh and I apologize. But the reason your post pissed me off is simple. You are obviously a vociferous blue with an interest in the atmosphere.

We can all go on about roofs and acoustics and corporate areas and all the other stuff that we have moaned and argued and commented on this forum for years. But the success of this project in terms of atmosphere depends on one thing only . Vocal fans relocating. That will make or break it. So when I see “yeah I’m not arsed and staying where I am” it says to me that we are going to have a lifetime of everybaway fans singing “Is this a library?” Whilst our fans clap away impotently to two different songs at once on the bottom tier oblivious to the fact that they can barely be heard.

This is the last chance.
 
Can you imagine being Sheik Mansour reading this thread.

The club are investing another £300 million into the business.
They need a return, it’s that simple.

Think I might go to OT and stain me new trainers in piss.

FFS

The only real issue is the 600 hospitality (not corporate ;-) ) seats at the front of L2. That important issue aside, the vast majority of people posting in the thread are impressed with the overall proposal.
 
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