Haaland Record Tracker

Coatigan said:
And I was talking about supercups and the club world cup.
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And I still don’t think they should be included for official records in the same way the Charity/Community Shield isn’t.

Haaland already has three more competitions (so many more additional games) than Dean did in which to score goals (for the all comps record).
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
Quite rightly the charity/community shield doesn’t count as a competitive fixture in most official records.

That’s why I think Messi’s 73 goal season should actually only be 67. I don’t think Supercups and the World Club Cup (which 4 out of 6 of the ‘competing’ confederations have never won) are actual serious competitions. These are just stat padding opportunities. The kind of things that are nice to win but you forget about a day later.
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A bit like shreks England goals record, the majority of which were scored in friendlies.
 
malg said:
Can people please not try to diminish Dixie Dean and his achievements. It's fucking disrespectful and very Dipper and Rag like nonsense.
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I agree entirely. I'm a City fan and I think Erling Haaland is in a league of his own. I am not trying to belittle his achievement or his ability - quite the opposite. But I don't think there's any need to belittle the achievements and ability of some players who MUST rank alongside Erling. How I would have loved to see Billy Meredith, Peter Doherty and Frank Swift among others just from City. I saw Bobby Johnstone, Don Revie and, of course, Bert Trautman as well as Stanley Matthews, Tom Finney, Mercer and Big Mal's team - and many foreign greats. But I never saw Dixie Dean or many other great professionals and all I am left with are their achievements. Dixie Deans are simply outstanding. He is most famous for scoring 60 league goals in the 1927-8 season, but hardly ever is it remembered that he was only 21 at the end of that season, or that he joined Everton in 1924 and left in1938 after playing 399 games and scoring 349 goals! It is true that the game was very different then to now and that he played virtually all of his games for Everton after the change in the offside law in 1925, which saw an increase in the number of goals scored. But it is also true that this rule has only undergone minor modifications since and Dean's figures are still as yet unrivalled - in the 27-28 60 goals in 39 matches (though he was never substituted of course). So let's not dismiss him as a battering ram, he was praised for his aerial ability but also for his pace and close control. Let us just admit and accept that genius is not new and that Erling has jumped onto a pedestal occupied by Dixie Dean, Puskas, Gerd Muller and others.
 
malg said:
Can people please not try to diminish Dixie Dean and his achievements. It's fucking disrespectful and very Dipper and Rag like nonsense.
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It’s not diminishing anyone to point out that one played in an era where the average match had twice as many goals and that’s why the 7 highest records for goalscoring are all from 1925-1932.

In 1927/28, 6 players got over 30 goals.

8 players total have done that in the 32 year history of the Premier League.


If anything, Jimmy Greaves is the one who ends up unfairly diminished as he scored an incredible 41 goals in an era when goals were much harder to get than Dean.
 
Very valid points about the offside rules and no subs in earlier times. Tommy Johnstone, Pete Doherty would still be great strikers in this era, with modern coaching, better nutrition and fitness.

Undoubtedly Dixie Dean would be brilliant now too. He had a middle parting with a lot of hair oil slicking it back, rather like Jordan Pickford!

His achievements can't be easily appreciated I think. 397 goals in 447 appearances, even if some were in non competitive games, still a hell of a lot.

As injuries caught up with him, he dropped down the football pyramid. After retirement he worked as a porter for littlewoods pools (!)

In November 1976 he had his right leg amputated due to a blood clot. In March 1980 he died watching a Mersey derby at Goodison. He was 73.

There are sadly plenty of men with nothing of his talent who'll leave football and never have to work again.

Big Erl's magnificent season is also shining a spotlight on this titan of the early game, and bringing a wider appreciation of his career. It's deserved.

Funny that people from a different age are being reassessed and it just proves that football had a long, rich history before 1992.
 
Aba452 said:
Very valid points about the offside rules and no subs in earlier times. Tommy Johnstone, Pete Doherty would still be great strikers in this era, with modern coaching, better nutrition and fitness.

Undoubtedly Dixie Dean would be brilliant now too. He had a middle parting with a lot of hair oil slicking it back, rather like Jordan Pickford!

His achievements can't be easily appreciated I think. 397 goals in 447 appearances, even if some were in non competitive games, still a hell of a lot.

As injuries caught up with him, he dropped down the football pyramid. After retirement he worked as a porter for littlewoods pools (!)

In November 1976 he had his right leg amputated due to a blood clot. In March 1980 he died watching a Mersey derby at Goodison. He was 73.

There are sadly plenty of men with nothing of his talent who'll leave football and never have to work again.

Big Erl's magnificent season is also shining a spotlight on this titan of the early game, and bringing a wider appreciation of his career. It's deserved.

Funny that people from a different age are being reassessed and it just proves that football had a long, rich history before 1992.
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Incomparable times in so many ways.
I don't think there were too many preening narcissists back in those days.
 
StillBluessinceHydeRoad said:
I agree entirely. I'm a City fan and I think Erling Haaland is in a league of his own. I am not trying to belittle his achievement or his ability - quite the opposite. But I don't think there's any need to belittle the achievements and ability of some players who MUST rank alongside Erling. How I would have loved to see Billy Meredith, Peter Doherty and Frank Swift among others just from City. I saw Bobby Johnstone, Don Revie and, of course, Bert Trautman as well as Stanley Matthews, Tom Finney, Mercer and Big Mal's team - and many foreign greats. But I never saw Dixie Dean or many other great professionals and all I am left with are their achievements. Dixie Deans are simply outstanding. He is most famous for scoring 60 league goals in the 1927-8 season, but hardly ever is it remembered that he was only 21 at the end of that season, or that he joined Everton in 1924 and left in1938 after playing 399 games and scoring 349 goals! It is true that the game was very different then to now and that he played virtually all of his games for Everton after the change in the offside law in 1925, which saw an increase in the number of goals scored. But it is also true that this rule has only undergone minor modifications since and Dean's figures are still as yet unrivalled - in the 27-28 60 goals in 39 matches (though he was never substituted of course). So let's not dismiss him as a battering ram, he was praised for his aerial ability but also for his pace and close control. Let us just admit and accept that genius is not new and that Erling has jumped onto a pedestal occupied by Dixie Dean, Puskas, Gerd Muller and others.
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Well said.
Players of those long passed days laid the solid foundations on which present day football is built.
Their achievements should never be ignored or trivialised.
For example, in boxing, would anyone try to demean Cooper, Marciano or Ali?
Motor sport - Moss, Clark, Rindt, Lauda, Surtees or Sheene?
So please don't try to do it with Dean.
 
Aba452 said:
Very valid points about the offside rules and no subs in earlier times. Tommy Johnstone, Pete Doherty would still be great strikers in this era, with modern coaching, better nutrition and fitness.

Undoubtedly Dixie Dean would be brilliant now too. He had a middle parting with a lot of hair oil slicking it back, rather like Jordan Pickford!

His achievements can't be easily appreciated I think. 397 goals in 447 appearances, even if some were in non competitive games, still a hell of a lot.

As injuries caught up with him, he dropped down the football pyramid. After retirement he worked as a porter for littlewoods pools (!)

In November 1976 he had his right leg amputated due to a blood clot. In March 1980 he died watching a Mersey derby at Goodison. He was 73.

There are sadly plenty of men with nothing of his talent who'll leave football and never have to work again.

Big Erl's magnificent season is also shining a spotlight on this titan of the early game, and bringing a wider appreciation of his career. It's deserved.

Funny that people from a different age are being reassessed and it just proves that football had a long, rich history before 1992.
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Interesting extra detail on Dean..I remember reading years ago that the player himself hated the nickname " Dixie"..because of its similarity to the expression " Pixie" iirc.....Will have to look that up..think there were underlying connotations with that word,in bygone years.
 
dennishasdoneit said:
Interesting extra detail on Dean..I remember reading years a. go that the player himself hated the nickname " Dixie"..because of its similarity to the expression " Pixie" iirc.....Will have to look that up..think there were underlying connotations with that word,in bygone years.
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He did hate the word Dixie. I understood it was becuse he was thought to be swarthy or a bit dark-skinned, like the inhabitants of the Deep South of the USA, whch was often called Dixie in popular parlance and songs of the day
He was therefore unhappy at being likened to a person of colour, whuch was not an uncommon reaction in less enlightened times. (I'm trading delicately here).
But that's what I was told and it is only hearsay.
 
Big Swifty said:
He did hate the word Dixie. I understood it was becuse he was thought to be swarthy or a bit dark-skinned, like the inhabitants of the Deep South of the USA, whch was often called Dixie in popular parlance and songs of the day
He was therefore unhappy at being likened to a person of colour, whuch was not an uncommon reaction in less enlightened times. (I'm trading delicately here).
But that's what I was told and it is only hearsay.
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I’ve heard enough already.

That racist scouse fucker should be stripped of all his goals and they should be awarded to Haaland.

If my calculations are correct, that puts him one behind Pongo and he can break the all time record tomorrow.
 
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