How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

bluebaja said:
Hindsight is a wonderful thing though isn't it. I didn't vote. Why ? Because I could not reconcile what should happen with what could happen. What could happen did happen and we are left with the current shitshow. What should have happened is that there was a properly researched and funded plan in place to address the gaps that leaving the EU would bring to the fore. An example of this is tradespeople. I live in North Wales and there were plenty of Europeans (particularly Poles) working in industries where there was a shortage of trained British workers. Immediately the results were known there should have been a properly executed plan to train young people to fill these roles. never happened.
In addition to that, we could have hoped that the EU would have acted in a responsible and mature way and actually eased the transition in terms of future relationships. They didn't. They went out of their way ( like a partner on the wronged side of a divorce) to make things as awkward and difficult as possible. You can argue that 'We left, that was our decision', but it didn't have to be that way.
I think it is over simplifying things to assume that anyone who did, or considered, a vote to leave the EU is some sort of brainless knuckledragger. It isn't that simple.
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It’s not purely the fault of the people who voted to leave, it’s more down to the lies that were told by Johnson, Farage etc to convince people to vote to leave coupled with the shockingly poor performance of Cameron in leading the campaign to stay plus the disastrous decision to put it to the vote in the first place.
 
somapop said:
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That was quality viewing last night, he just fell short of calling her a stupid bitch and telling the presenter she's shit at her job. He's always struggled with any political discourse with people he perceives to be intellectual light weights and its the easiest way to trigger a meltdown with him.
 
AlgarveBlu said:
That was quality viewing last night, he just fell short of calling her a stupid bitch and telling the presenter she's shit at her job. He's always struggled with any political discourse with people he perceives to be intellectual light weights and its the easiest way to trigger a meltdown with him.
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I said last night that he was wrong to have a go at the host. His target was obviously the BBC (and I think he has a reasonable argument about that), and not her.
 
AlgarveBlu said:
That was quality viewing last night, he just fell short of calling her a stupid bitch and telling the presenter she's shit at her job. He's always struggled with any political discourse with people he perceives to be intellectual light weights and its the easiest way to trigger a meltdown with him.
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That and the charlie he had just sniffed up?
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I said last night that he was wrong to have a go at the host. His target was obviously the BBC (and I think he has a reasonable argument about that), and not her.
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I'm sure he was stirring on that front re comments from Emily Maitlis on the BBC's handling of the brexit debate, I think he would have been better off pursuing that angle directly on TV by endorsing her comments rather than effectively saying 'your no Emily.'
 
Government is going to come under increasing pressure on its handling of post-Brexit migration in the coming days. The latest figures and predictions will apparently show that far more people are entering the country, particularly from India, Nigeria, China, and other countries. Not sure denying postgraduate students the right to bring their families with them will make a significant dent in the figures either, particularly when universities fear such students will go elsewhere and they don’t want to lose any more funding.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Was it Maitlis who said last year the "one from each side" approach was not balance?
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I think it was James O'Brien who had to host a "debate" between Pascal Lamy and Andrea Leadsom - she was there as a representative of Vote Leave -she argued against Lamy like she knew something the former head of the WTO. After this James left the BBC in disgust but watch here and tell me Lamy was wrong and Leadsom was some sort of oracle

 
bluethrunthru said:
I think it was James O'Brien who had to host a "debate" between Pascal Lamy and Andrea Leadsom - she was there as a representative of Vote Leave -she argued against Lamy like she knew something the former head of the WTO. After this James left the BBC in disgust but watch here and tell me Lamy was wrong and Leadsom was some sort of oracle

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Google tells me that Emily Maitlis discussed it in the MacTaggart lecture at the Edinburgh TV festival in 2022.

www.theguardian.com

Emily Maitlis is finally free to say what needed saying: the BBC has lost its nerve | Gaby Hinsliff

In a raw and personal analysis, the former Newsnight presenter reveals a broadcaster that has been cowed by government, says Guardian columnist Gaby Hinsliff
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
(other links are also available, but this one won't have a paywall)
 
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