PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

The perfect fumble said:
I stand corrected.

He's a bit of a mystery isn't he?

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Joe Lewis seen at a Tottenham game with Daniel Levy

Rarely seen watching spuds, given the shite footy that's hardly surprising.
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Fuzzy80 said:
Having a large fan base will be one factor as it will increase the exposure.

United v Liverpool will always attract good viewing figures for example worldwide.

I don’t think we have that just yet and if it was a 7th v 8th game, we would not get as many (or even a 1st v 2nd game with those 2 clubs I think more could watch). But that is not what is happening.

Success and the importance of the game we play in means that this year we must have played (and won) in the most viewed games.

City v Arsenal
City v United (FA Cup)
City v Real (CL semi)
City v Inter (CL final)

All my United/ Liverpool friends watched all of these games (probably hoping we lost).

But these are some of the biggest, most viewed games across the whole world this season.

The constant in that is City and also City winning, a sponsor would love to be associated with that.

The eyes of the footballing world have been on us this season.

To also take your view one step further (although not sure this is true anymore, I think they hate us with a passion).

As we a told our winning is hollow and no-one cares then our sponsors have all the exposure with no downside.

Where you speak about United fans not buying Team Viewer etc. just as they are sponsors. I can tell you my Dad would not buy any product associated with United (because he hates them). So if they where sponsored by Etihad and he wanted to go Abu Dhabi he would fly Emirates and take the hour commute.

Although he might be a unique case :-)
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Definitely not, I refuse to buy anything associated with the rags and dippers. I also don’t own a single thing with the colour red, from my car to clothes, furniture, etc.

There’s was a Professor at the Manchester University who was a fanatical City fan (Howard, can’t think of his second name) who taught business and was the head of Commerce, engaged by worldwide companies. He was at a conference and a Sharp Japanese Director approached him and said “I believe you’re from Manchester, we sponsor your football team”. Howard replied “it’s not my team and your sponsorship is the reason I’ve not bought any of your products for the last few years and never will”.

Edit: I think it was Sir Howard Davies, just looked him up and he was a Director of the London School of Economics not Manchester, pretty sure it was him.
 
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laserblue said:
Fixed for you.

How many times have the rags been ripped off in a one horse race for a player? They even paid more (in transfer fees, wages or both) than had been demanded from City for players City had expressed an interest in but walked away from because the player/agent/selling club wanted stupid momey. Pogba, Sanchez, Ronaldo (second time round) and Fred as well as Maguire spring to mind as does the expression 'There's no fool like an old fool'.
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Almost makes you think that City show interest in players just to ensure no bargains occur. Make others spend aggressively then reach our theoretical limit.
No we would t do that would we?
 
gouldybob said:
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Joe Lewis was trying to buy the company I worked for, 10 years until made redundant in 2009, pity he didn’t as it went down the shitter after that. Serves them right for binning me and many others from the Stockport base.

Joe Lewis intrigue over Alphameric

What is the canny but reclusive investor, Joe Lewis, up to in the racing world? The majority owner of Tottenham Hotspur, who famously lost a packet on shares in fallen investment bank Bear Stearns, is also thought to hold as much as 5% of Ladbrokes. Nothing odd about that.
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Spurs fans should hate their owners more than they hate us. Levy has, until recently, under-invested in their squad to a shameful degree.

I've posted this analysis before but the big 6 clubs generate a lot of free cash, which is revenue minus cash outgoings (wages, operating costs, etc). Typically, it'll be around £100m a year, give or take, for us. And Spurs will generate a fair whack. It was just over £100m last financial year.

The difference is that we re-invested pretty well all our free cash, plus transfer receipts, into our squad. Spurs, on the other hand, invested pretty well none of that. All their spending was solely financed by outgoing transfers.
 
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Prestwich_Blue said:
They, and the equally deluded Liverpool fans, have this bizarre view that our revenue can't be bigger than theirs, because they have "more fans".

Even if we assume they have more fans (and evidence from social media numbers tends to dispute that) they can't get it into their pea-sized brains that there is no correlation between the number of fans and revenue. Possibly there's a view that a large fan base might be attractive to sponsors but I'd love to see some quantitative evidence of that.

United have DXC on their sleeve, who are an IT Service Provider formed by a merger between CSC and HP. I can pretty well guarantee that united fans haven't been rushing to sign contracts with DXC, or buy Team Vkeeper for their laptops. And I'm equally sure that Standard Chartered don't rely on Liverpool fans' accounts to keep their business going.

For these sponsors it's about exposure. The PL and CL are two of the most watched sporting competitions on the planet. Getting that exposure at a CL Final is like buying a Superbowl ad. This season was be our 12th consecutive season in the CL and our 13th consecutive season of finishing in the top 4 in the PL. We've won the PL 7 times to date and have now won the CL.

Etihad, and our other key sponsors, must be delighted. Because that's why they pay for the exposure.
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Exactly this

CL final will have given sponsors exposure to about half a billion people worldwide

Wonder how many watched ‘nited in the Europa quarter final worldwide?

Therein lies a huge difference
 
Stockton Heath Blue said:
Remember Rat Boy's rant that City couldn't possibly have larger revenues than the biggest club in the world. As broken down by you above, it doesn't take a genius to work out why we surpassed the Rags from an income perspective.

One point to embellish on, as champions, I think we get a larger % share of the TV monies - "market pot" I think it's referred to???
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The genuinely funny thing about this, is that City now receive more money from the UEFA pot. specifically because of the fiddling done by David Gill and his cronies. They changed the rules so that more money was given to the clubs with a higher UEFA coefficient based on "Historical Success". They brought this in because they arrogantly thought that they would always be ranked higher than City and therefore would always receive more cash. Result being now that City get richer because of their scheming !! Cheers Dave - Dick Dastardly would be proud of you. Hoisted by your own petard
 
marco said:
i can only say from what ive heard from people around the world 'and i do travel a lot' every word on city is positive ive been aproached with people wanting to see my city tatoo, taxi drivers never stop talking about us, met a few Ukraine lads over in the states and we are their new adopted club as they have no football, never ever a bad word, is it this country that only stick the knife in?
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Only in the UK would the national broadcaster be rooting for Bayern, Real Madrid and Inter Milan against its own league champions…. Just shows how bitter some of their employees are. In contrast when it’s a red shirt team the narrative is that the whole nation needs to get behind them…. Hypocrites.
 
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I also fail to see how anyone can say that the Etihad deal is or ever was over valued ? I've just googled them and they've gone from heavy losses to declaring record profits of $296 million in the first half of 2022 ? A huge amount will be down to the increased exposure and profile give by their association with City. Is Richard Masters going to tell them they've got a shite deal ???
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Spurs fans should hate their owners more than they hate us. Levy has, until recently, under-invested in their squad to a shameful degree.

I've posted this analysis before but the big 6 clubs generate a lot of free cash, which is revenue minus cash outgoings (wages, operating costs, etc). Typically, it'll be around £100m a year, give or take, for us. And Spurs will generate a fair whack. It was just over £100m last financial year.

The difference is that we re-invest pretty well all our free cash, plus transfer receipts, into our squad. Spurs, on the other hand, invested pretty well none of that. All their spending was solely financed by outgoing transfers.
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They do. I'm reliably informed that barely a week goes by without an ENIC protest from the stands.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Spurs fans should hate their owners more than they hate us. Levy has, until recently, under-invested in their squad to a shameful degree.

I've posted this analysis before but the big 6 clubs generate a lot of free cash, which is revenue minus cash outgoings (wages, operating costs, etc). Typically, it'll be around £100m a year, give or take, for us. And Spurs will generate a fair whack. It was just over £100m last financial year.

The difference is that we re-invest pretty well all our free cash, plus transfer receipts, into our squad. Spurs, on the other hand, invested pretty well none of that. All their spending was solely financed by outgoing transfers.
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He’s actually a terrible negotiator but he doesn’t realise it.

Those that play hard ball win the odd negotiation but lose more as people just don’t engage.

At one time young prospects would sign hoping to make the big move but after seeing him refuse Kane a transfer no one will go there now.
 
cheekybids said:
He’s actually a terrible negotiator but he doesn’t realise it.

Those that play hard ball win the odd negotiation but lose more as people just don’t engage.

At one time young prospects would sign hoping to make the big move but after seeing him refuse Kane a transfer no one will go there now.
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Levy's negotiation skills are ENTIRELY due to his mates in the media and are in no way connected with reality.

He's cost his club more in failed negotiations than he's ever brought in with sales. Throwing away £80m on Kane this year and £60m two years ago is a prime example.
 
Damocles said:
Levy's negotiation skills are ENTIRELY due to his mates in the media and are in no way connected with reality.

He's cost his club more in failed negotiations than he's ever brought in with sales. Throwing away £80m on Kane this year and £60m two years ago is a prime example.
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Summer 2018, cash strapped Aston Villa wanted £20m for Grealish and Levy offered a take it or leave it £3m + Josh Onomah.

Villa obviously left it, got taken over, and then had the money to say no to Levy's eventual £25m offer.

The next season Spurs lose the CL final because they can't break down Liverpool's defence for 85 mins with their tired attacking midfield. 3 years later Grealish is bought for £100m.

A world class player who would have done amazing things for Spurs, in a position they needed reinforcement.

Lost because Levy was an arrogant prick.
 
BrianW said:
I don't understand how a player can be sold for 'more than the market worth.' Because, by definition, if someone is willing to pay more, that is the market price.

This smacks of the medieval concept of a 'fair price'. For example, eight pints of beer for a penny, enforced by law. We are massively beyond such ideas. Imagine Sotheby's auctioning a Rembrandt and the auctioneer starting off by saying: 'Ladies and Gentlemen, the maximum bid I will accept is seven million pounds, as that is the assessed market value.'

Of course, you can't imagine it as it would be insanity. By the same logic, someone (the Government?) should decide the 'market price' of everything, But then it ceases to be a market price.
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The article lacks details but it's clearly aimed at swap deals. Barcelona were involved in 2 if memory serves me, they bought and sold a keeper and midfielder for huge money, Juventus and Valencia were the clubs involved. Both deals were as bent as a banana but suited the clubs for short term financial requirements. Looking at all 3 clubs now it's the equivalent of a payday loan and the man is at the door looking for his money.
 
Jack Hackett said:
I‘ve no idea how many fans City have worldwide but whatever the number, I’d find it difficult to believe it was more than Man Utd’s global fan base.
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At the moment I don't give a monkeys' about the rags global fanbase, or any other clubs' fanbase come to that.
All that matters to me is that City have got the 3 most prestigious trophies in world football in our possession.
 
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