How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

gordondaviesmoustache said:
There will be plenty joining him. It will become a tsunami in the next couple of years. Question is, will enough people be prepared to give up the pound? That’s the only realistic basis for our re-entry. My guess is ‘no’, which I think would be a grave mistake.
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We can only hope the pound tanks and takes the economy with it. That should be enough to persuade even the most ardent brexiteers - and a small price for the rest of us to pay for being conspicuously correct.
 
I voted to join the common market not a European political union. Having said that, Leaving The European Union was possible the most stupid thing we have ever done as a nation, which was compounded by Covid and the Ukraine war. We might never recover as a nation from our own stupidity and our politicians treachery.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
We can only hope the pound tanks and takes the economy with it. That should be enough to persuade even the most ardent brexiteers - and a small price for the rest of us to pay for being conspicuously correct.
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The pound tanked in June 2016 and has never recovered.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Its VE Day!!! After years of bashing the EU and being pro-Brexit and voting Tory at the last GE ( only to have his new Tory MP announce he won't contest the seat next time ) my Dad has just admitted to me on the phone that he was wrong and that there was strength in being an EU member state plus trade advantages and that he was lied to by the Leave campaign. If you knew my Dad you'd realise how big that penny was that just dropped.
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What`s the phrase, better too late than never.
 
r.soleofsalford said:
I voted to join the common market not a European political union. Having said that, Leaving The European Union was possible the most stupid thing we have ever done as a nation, which was compounded by Covid and the Ukraine war. We might never recover as a nation from our own stupidity and our politicians treachery.
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Just a gentle reminder that you didn't vote to join the Common Market... Heath took us into that without a referendum (one should have been held as it was a constitutional change) It was a Labour Government under Wilson , that realising the enormity of what the Tories had done , held a vote to correct the situation ..... You did in fact vote to stay in the Common Market.

The Tories also agreed to and signed the Maastricht Treaty of 1993 which clearly outlined the direction of the European Union 'and resolved to continue the process of creating an ever closer union among the peoples of Europe", the Treaty proposed "further steps to be taken in order to advance European integration.

Again the Tories failed to hold a referendum on this despite the fact that other countries did.

Once again the Tory Playbook

!. Create a problem
2. Listen to the noise caused by the problem.
3. Throw a load of taxpayers money in an effort to solve the problem
4. Claim the praise for solving the problem that they created in the first place.

In fact , of all the big decisions made by the Eu , the UK has never held a referendum (some were planned but never actually held) other than those held by Wilson and Brexit.

I would maintain that had the Governments of the day done their job properly and involved the population in decisions about membership of the Eu , we wouldn't be faced with the shit Brexit we have today.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Just a gentle reminder that you didn't vote to join the Common Market... Heath took us into that without a referendum (one should have been held as it was a constitutional change) It was a Labour Government under Wilson , that realising the enormity of what the Tories had done , held a vote to correct the situation ..... You did in fact vote to stay in the Common Market.

The Tories also agreed to and signed the Maastricht Treaty of 1993 which clearly outlined the direction of the European Union 'and resolved to continue the process of creating an ever closer union among the peoples of Europe", the Treaty proposed "further steps to be taken in order to advance European integration.

Again the Tories failed to hold a referendum on this despite the fact that other countries did.

Once again the Tory Playbook

!. Create a problem
2. Listen to the noise caused by the problem.
3. Throw a load of taxpayers money in an effort to solve the problem
4. Claim the praise for solving the problem that they created in the first place.

In fact , of all the big decisions made by the Eu , the UK has never held a referendum (some were planned but never actually held) other than those held by Wilson and Brexit.

I would maintain that had the Governments of the day done their job properly and involved the population in decisions about membership of the Eu , we wouldn't be faced with the shit Brexit we have today.
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I have to disagree with your analysis of this situation. The reason we had Brexit in the first place was because of the constant sniping, wine lakes - butter mountains etc, from the British media. Constantly tell people something is shit and eventually enough people will believe you.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Another referendum required for that surely.
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Not if it's in party manifesto.

Labour should drop the Make Brexit Work nonsense.

"Without applying to rejoin the EU, we will work to restore many of the benefits that we had as members. As there seem to have been no benefits from leaving the EU, this is all positive."

What could the response be? "Look what we'd lose by restoring benefits...."
 
stonerblue said:
Tiny little 3'' column on front of financial times today with the even tinier headline; Exporters fear for their place in EU.

Surprise sirfuckinprise..
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It's no surprise really. Brewdog were mentioned earlier in the thread, they're a good example. They make good beers, but there's plenty of alternatives to them both here in Ireland and across the EU, so rather than going out of my way to stock them in my business or pressuring my suppliers to source them, I'll simply choose an alternative. The opposite will likely happen within the UK, but it's a far smaller market.
 
aguero93:20 said:
It's no surprise really. Brewdog were mentioned earlier in the thread, they're a good example. They make good beers, but there's plenty of alternatives to them both here in Ireland and across the EU, so rather than going out of my way to stock them in my business or pressuring my suppliers to source them, I'll simply choose an alternative. The opposite will likely happen within the UK, but it's a far smaller market.
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Just did an online comparison in a large supermarket chain in the Netherlands, where BrewDog was making inroads before Brexit. A 330ml can of BrewDog IPA (5.4% ABV) retails at 2.29, whereas a 330ml can of Brand IPA (7% ABV) retails at 1.75; Brand is a Dutch company. Hard to compete in that market at that difference.
 
Gabriel said:
Just did an online comparison in a large supermarket chain in the Netherlands, where BrewDog was making inroads before Brexit. A 330ml can of BrewDog IPA (5.4% ABV) retails at 2.29, whereas a 330ml can of Brand IPA (7% ABV) retails at 1.75; Brand is a Dutch company. Hard to compete in that market at that difference.
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It's not just cost either, it's how quickly and simply you can get the product on the shelves after ordering it.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Its VE Day!!! After years of bashing the EU and being pro-Brexit and voting Tory at the last GE ( only to have his new Tory MP announce he won't contest the seat next time ) my Dad has just admitted to me on the phone that he was wrong and that there was strength in being an EU member state plus trade advantages and that he was lied to by the Leave campaign. If you knew my Dad you'd realise how big that penny was that just dropped.
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My Dad chose having a beer after the CL final in Istanbul to accept that he might have got this one wrong. Dunno if having spent the evening having decent chats with Italians, or the pain of travelling through a couple of airports, had done it for him.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Saw some moron wearing a T-shirt with "we are not European anymore" on the front with the date of the referendum on the back yesterday, shopping in a German supermarket chain staffed by immigrants.

Brexiteers don't have any concept of English irony.
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I shouldn’t,but I will.
The English in general, Brexiteers or not, are only starting to see the irony you speak of, that the rest of the world copped onto a long time ago.
 
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