Russian invasion of Ukraine

I think it is worth re-iterating just what Ukraine is doing in this phase.
The object of the exercise is to discover Russian strengths and weaknesses, get the Russians to move troops into a less advantageous position (Pep tactic) and to degrade Russian fire power, particularly artillery. Cutting Russian supply lines and destroying arms and supplies dumps also important. Taking territory at this point is secondary and important only when it serves the main objective. So we need to be patient while this shaping operation take place.
The main attack comes later.
 
I think the slow speed of the Ukrainian advance is down to their lack of air superiority. Every time the west fights a battle it assumes complete air superiority pretty quickly, then the land forces sweep through.

It makes you wonder why the the western powers arnt providing that air support more quickly either indirectly or directly. Once they do Russian forces in Ukraine would be annihilated. We all want this war over quickly.

As for Putin, he's always been a busted flush and a coward. A 25k bunch of rag tag mercenaries and he was digging up roads and quickly on a flight to St Petersburg. There is clearly zero threat of nuclear retaliation as long as those airstrikes are in occupied Ukrainain lands.

Let's just get it done and save lives in the process.

As for those countries like China and India , they need to understand what side their bread is buttered. And it isn't on the side of a economically broken Russia whose economy was less than a 30th the size of the combined western powers they trade with even before this crazy war of Putins.
The issue with air superiority is that relatively modest air defence systems can take out highly sophisticated and expensive jets / helicopters. 30 F16s would make a big impact but give it a couple of months and they'd all get taken out. It's a judgement on weather the gains are with the cost. The Russians have they exact same issue and are keeping minimum aircraft involved.
 
The issue with air superiority is that relatively modest air defence systems can take out highly sophisticated and expensive jets / helicopters. 30 F16s would make a big impact but give it a couple of months and they'd all get taken out. It's a judgement on weather the gains are with the cost. The Russians have they exact same issue and are keeping minimum aircraft involved.
Why can't we just take out their air defence systems. Either with missiles or planes? We seemed to be able to do that pretty easily with Iraqs. Im clearly no expert but I think most would be surprised if the Russians technology was any better than what Saddam had 20 years ago? Or is it based on Russian Soil? If so I could see that being a problem and escalation?
 
The issue with air superiority is that relatively modest air defence systems can take out highly sophisticated and expensive jets / helicopters. 30 F16s would make a big impact but give it a couple of months and they'd all get taken out. It's a judgement on weather the gains are with the cost. The Russians have they exact same issue and are keeping minimum aircraft involved.
Need Tom Cruise and Co flying them sophisticated planes aswell .
 
I think the slow speed of the Ukrainian advance is down to their lack of air superiority. Every time the west fights a battle it assumes complete air superiority pretty quickly, then the land forces sweep through.

It makes you wonder why the the western powers arnt providing that air support more quickly either indirectly or directly. Once they do Russian forces in Ukraine would be annihilated. We all want this war over quickly.

As for Putin, he's always been a busted flush and a coward. A 25k bunch of rag tag mercenaries and he was digging up roads and quickly on a flight to St Petersburg. There is clearly zero threat of nuclear retaliation as long as those airstrikes are in occupied Ukrainain lands.

Let's just get it done and save lives in the process.

As for those countries like China and India , they need to understand what side their bread is buttered. And it isn't on the side of a economically broken Russia whose economy was less than a 30th the size of the combined western powers they trade with even before this crazy war of Putins.
I think it's the tens of thousands mines that the Ruskies leave scattered behind them is the main factor in advancing at a faster rate
 
we know, but and a big but, if Ukraine had them and Putin knew they could hit Moscow he's going to think again still dont think he would choose the nuclear option, might be the big move to end all this
I get what you are saying and most would wish that Ukraine twat the Kremlin, but Putin will also be well aware that Ukraine is being given these weapons knowing they cannot be used on the Kremlin
 
i think its time now Spiderboy to have those long range weapons, long enough range to hit Moscow, if we can get a decent amount of stock into Ukraine then basicaly they hit Ukraine, Ukraine hit Moscow, its the only language Putin understands
Ukraine just need to fuck Russia off their land,IMO.
No need to hit Moscow,just put the cunts in their place,get into NATO,game over for Russia.

Slava Ukraini.
 
Yet another utter pisstake.


Sigh. It just goes on Social Media. Idiots and delusionals and liars and politically motivated people will treat it as real.

Kids, young people, others of their sort will see them. And some will believe them.

Don't get outraged. Laugh. It's just a way to exploit a facet of human nature. That's just the way it works. It costs them - stuff like that is why Russia has never, ever settled down, in it's entire history. It's the product of overly cynical minds. They are right, but really they are damaging their country, their culture, and handing on a messed up situation to their kids.

Don't get angry. If you let it, this sort of wind up has another affect - it clouds your ability to think at your best. Don't worry. It's nothing. It's a cheap tactic. It's stupid, on balance it's a disaster for them. But it might hurt you. If you let it.

Telling you - anyone reduced to trying this stuff, is sad. It's sad to see. Dear, oh, deah. No one should feel it neccessary. They don't respect for what they are, as people, a country, and as a culture. If they do understand it, they'd know trying to exploit it like this was self-destructive.

There's a reason the west won the peace and cold war, and that reason is education, and nurturing, a better, freer, more questioning society than Russia. Russia fell apart after 80 years - the life span of a human. Meanwhile, the west has been planning and working on raising smarter, better informed, kids, better at questioning and judging things, with access to more information. In a free society that won't ever need to self-destruct - it will keep trying different people, and then deciding if it's working or not, thanks to a proper democracy.

Roll your eyes. Apparently Russia thinks 'questioning things' and freedom of information is something they need to exploit! Rather than encourage and enshrine it in their own culture. Idiots. It literally is the lifeblood of our culture and country. By pushing the boundaries, they are doing us a massive favour.

Maybe the lesson here - when you read a tweet. A post. You can't even see if they had a straight face. Maybe it was a wierd joke? Or a really sad one. That's how to think about this stuff. You can't control what everyone thinks, and that's how they've got us. We feel that we should. No one should be in any doubt about it.

Nah. You have to let people make their own judgements. They have to be free to make mistakes. Otherwise the best truths we truly take to heart and value, are easily dismissed as 'propoganda' enforced by others.
 
Sigh. It just goes on Social Media. Idiots and delusionals and liars and politically motivated people will treat it as real.

Kids, young people, others of their sort will see them. And some will believe them.

Don't get outraged. Laugh. It's just a way to exploit a facet of human nature. That's just the way it works. It costs them - stuff like that is why Russia has never, ever settled down, in it's entire history. It's the product of overly cynical minds. They are right, but really they are damaging their country, their culture, and handing on a messed up situation to their kids.

Don't get angry. If you let it, this sort of wind up has another affect - it clouds your ability to think at your best. Don't worry. It's nothing. It's a cheap tactic. It's stupid, on balance it's a disaster for them. But it might hurt you. If you let it.

Telling you - anyone reduced to trying this stuff, is sad. It's sad to see. Dear, oh, deah. No one should feel it neccessary. They don't respect for what they are, as people, a country, and as a culture. If they do understand it, they'd know trying to exploit it like this was self-destructive.

There's a reason the west won the peace and cold war, and that reason is education, and nurturing, a better, freer, more questioning society than Russia. Russia fell apart after 80 years - the life span of a human. Meanwhile, the west has been planning and working on raising smarter, better informed, kids, better at questioning and judging things, with access to more information. In a free society that won't ever need to self-destruct - it will keep trying different people, and then deciding if it's working or not, thanks to a proper democracy.

Roll your eyes. Apparently Russia thinks 'questioning things' and freedom of information is something they need to exploit! Rather than encourage and enshrine it in their own culture. Idiots. It literally is the lifeblood of our culture and country. By pushing the boundaries, they are doing us a massive favour.

Maybe the lesson here - when you read a tweet. A post. You can't even see if they had a straight face. Maybe it was a wierd joke? Or a really sad one. That's how to think about this stuff. You can't control what everyone thinks, and that's how they've got us. We feel that we should. No one should be in any doubt about it.

Nah. You have to let people make their own judgements. They have to be free to make mistakes. Otherwise the best truths we truly take to heart and value, are easily dismissed as 'propoganda' enforced by others.
Don't worry, I laughed when I saw it
 

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