Cricket Thread

[wattle]

To give it full context, some people are claiming that Bairstow’s was different because Labuschagne was taking guard outside the crease.

I personally just think that’s looking for any excuse to differentiate between the two, for people already committed to bad sportsmanship point of view.

I’m more annoyed at Bairstow than any of the Australians.

Spot on. On a Sunday afternoon with a few beers inside you it's blatant cheating as usual by the scummy convict Aussie cricket team. On a Monday morning it's "Bairstow you stupid fool you've just thrown the Ashes."
No way England can claim the whiter than white high ground here. Especially Bairstow who tried it - although slightly different - earlier in the game. Stokes and McCullum were a bit embarrassing in their interviews saying they would have withdrawn the appeal and it's not the way to win a game. No they wouldn't. It's like diving for a penalty in the last minute of the World Cup Final. If it was your team doing it you'd turn a blind eye and find an excuse to justify it.

 

[Manc baggie]

Bored of the Bairstow incident! I’d rather they talk about when we were 188/1 and experience players played like armatures!

Agreed, we lost this game due to our first innings brainfart.

 

[goalmole]

I actually think that’s a fair reason tbh. There’s a difference between a mankad or stumping someone that’s taking guard outside the crease to someone that’s re-marked his spot and then moved outside of the crease after the ball has been bowled and caught by the wicket keeper - the difference being there’s no advantage at all being sought by the batsman.

It’s all down to personal opinion and I get people that think it was ok. All on the individual and how much they care about sportsmanship though.

What I would say is things like that in the Ashes are part of what makes it great too though and that’s been the case for a while - there’s always been heroes and villains to both sides. I absolutely love Broad but him when he didnt walk after being caught a few series ago was just as bad an example of poor sportsmanship as today was. If people do think today was poor, then I’d hope they’d be consistent and think that was at the time too. Sport and partisan thought does go hand in hand though!

Personally, I’d err on wanting to see better sportsmanship every time.

What was Broad's reason/excuse/explanation/justification for not walking?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

From the footage I've see of yesterday, the umpire appeared to be in the process of turning round to the bowler to hand his cap back as the Carey threw the ball at the stumps

thanks - difficult to judge as I don't know his usual behaviour at the end of an over. He's certainly reaching to release the cap from whatever he's clipped it to, but it seems to be just out of the camera shot. I don't think the umpire had moved his feet. The bowler is obviously many yards down the pitch.

What I hadn't realised is that Bairstow may still have been in his crease when the ball was thrown, it's a lot closer to a normal stumping in timing than I'd realised yesterday. Moving a split second later and he'd have been fine.

 

[Debaser]

From the footage I've see of yesterday, the umpire appeared to be in the process of turning round to the bowler to hand his cap back as the Carey threw the ball at the stumps

Green was halfway down the track in his follow through and nowhere near the umpire, the umpire had moved from standing still

 

[meltonblue]

What was Broad's reason/excuse/explanation/justification for not walking?

Stuart Broad has no regrets over not walking at Trent Bridge

Seamer looks back on the controversy of 2013, and the sequence of events it kicked off

www.espncricinfo.com

Think he made the point a few of the Aussies nicked the ball and didn’t walk in that series either too.

 

[Gundoggin]

Spot on. On a Sunday afternoon with a few beers inside you it's blatant cheating as usual by the scummy convict Aussie cricket team. On a Monday morning it's "Bairstow you stupid fool you've just thrown the Ashes."
No way England can claim the whiter than white high ground here. Especially Bairstow who tried it - although slightly different - earlier in the game. Stokes and McCullum were a bit embarrassing in their interviews saying they would have withdrawn the appeal and it's not the way to win a game. No they wouldn't. It's like diving for a penalty in the last minute of the World Cup Final. If it was your team doing it you'd turn a blind eye and find an excuse to justify it.

One was 30.1 overs
The other on a completed over .
There is a huge difference believe it or not .

 

[bigstanhibbert]

One was 30.1 overs
The other on a completed over .
There is a huge difference believe it or not .

When is an over completed?

 

[M18CTID]

Green was halfway down the track in his follow through and nowhere near the umpire, the umpire had moved from standing still

Irrelevant where Green is or was - the umpire was acting as though the over was done

 

[M18CTID]

When is an over completed?

Not after one ball, that's for sure!

 

[bigstanhibbert]

Not after one ball, that's for sure!

That's not what I asked though. OK, how/when is an over deemed over?

 

[SWP's back]

Just on a side note how pathetic has the Sky Commentary been this series?

You've got 3 Aussies in the Comms box for a start(Australian broadcast has zero Englishmen) and you have Morgan, Strauss and Pietersen(who is the absolute worst commentator I've heard in a long time) pander to the Aussies.

Botham, Gower and Willis(RIP) would of definitely pulled no punches and neither would Holding or Warne(RIP)

Sangakkara was ok as he was a neutral and I'm sure Atherton and Hussain cringe when listening to the other English commentators doing their Comms

It's a fucking shitshow

Yep. I was screaming at that gloating Aussie **** yesterday after than atrocious bit of gamesmanship and saying “God I miss Botham, he properly hates these cunts” to my wife.

That hour long portion of cricket (with the “run” out and then Stokes going mental before lunch) was the first time she’s watched it with me in 9 years being together and she asked if it’s always this exciting.

 

[M18CTID]

That's not what I asked though. OK, how/when is an over deemed over?

Either when the umpire calls it or, failing that, when the umpire acts like it's done

 

[M18CTID]

Bored of the Bairstow incident! I’d rather they talk about when we were 188/1 and experience players played like armatures!

I thought that had already been discussed at length before all the other shenanigans!

 

[denislawsbackheel]

When is an over completed?

Cricket Rules - Law 23 - Dead Ball

Cricket Rules - Law 23 - Dead Ball

www.cricketlab.co

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Bored of the Bairstow incident! I’d rather they talk about when we were 188/1 and experience players played like armatures!

Now you are just going round and round…

 

[Gundoggin]

When is an over completed?

After the last ball of the over . The Aussies then Manipulated the situation to gain an advantage . It really is that simple .

 

[GaudinoMotors]

None of these supposedly clever little video finds and examples stated are anything remotely similar or in context to yesterday's disgrace. Quoting the rules ad nauseum - for the last time, legal - yes - sportingly right - no.
I'm reminded in these times of the 80/20 rule - no matter how glaringly obvious the moral right and factual right - 20% will always seek to disagree.

 

[Debaser]

Irrelevant where Green is or was - the umpire was acting as though the over was done

20.2 Ball finally settled

Whether the ball is finally settled or not is a matter for the umpire alone to decide.

 

[Gundoggin]

Cricket Rules - Law 23 - Dead Ball

Cricket Rules - Law 23 - Dead Ball

www.cricketlab.co

So a number of situations where the situation was indeed “end of over” right there in the rules . That’s why it is not in the game’s interest or unsporting behaviour what the Aussies did , basically you just don’t go there but the Aussies did to manipulate the situation. The Aussies could have easily just warned Bairstow or even called him back but they didn’t which is why the situation is still toxic for many this morning. It is 100% cheating but bizarrely within the rules of cricket an area where 95% of cricket captains would not venture but Cummins chose too . Sadly we now live in a world where cheating is applauded by many ,and many no longer have morals or dignity in today’s world nor sportsmanship.