PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Father Paul said:
How do you know it has not or will not in the future impact transfers? The charges were made in February.Yes your right they most certainly lit a fuse which was great but they still pose a danger.Now hopefully they will come to nought. But in theory we are looking at very serious penalties including large point deductions and possibly relegation. Now I hope that won't happen but if it does it will for a season or two impact upon our transfer strategy.
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Also worth bearing in mind that if my auntie had no tits and a cock & balls she'd be my uncle. Manchester football clubs have faced a total of 116 charges related to ffp this year, and only one team and one charge has resulted in punishment.
 
Grassland Blue said:
How can an organisation that employs top accounting firms and some of the best legal minds in the country/world, headed up by a Royal entity be in such a predicament?
The media have whipped up a frenzy of accusations (with little foundation in reality imo), this is the reason why.
When this is all over, (hopefully very quickly), I think that City will be exonerated.
The agitators should then be obliged to make grovelling apologies, splashed all over the front and back pages of their abhorrent publications, all commencing on the same day AND continuing for 30 days afterwards.
Damage them the way they have tried to damage us!
All I want to see is fairness and justice and then get back to playing football.
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Fat chance any of the gobshites in the press will apologise, I'm still waiting for them to apologise to us for them accusing us of wrongdoings with UEFA.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Can you elaborate on that please? I'd just be interested to hear what you think we have cause for concern on and why, based on the evidence you've read on here.

I think it's good for any KFA such as myself to get viewpoints from all angles. Most on here (including me) will point to or believe in our innocence, most other fans point to our guilt, but it's always interesting to hear from the other clubs fans who think we're innocent and blues who think the opposite - those who go against the grain.
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The current thread of over 2,500 pages dates from the PL charges of last Feb. However, there is an avalanche of material going back a number of years relating to the UEFA charges and related cases.
I have read most of this over the years but I am not an expert and unfortunely I am not really able to do justice to a decent summary. My opinion which is not definitive of course is that there is a perhaps a 20-30% chance we could be in trouble. The extent of any punishment is what concerns me. With respect to the press and a lot of football opinion we are Guilty until never proven Innocent and that won't change regardless of the verdict.
 
Father Paul said:
How do you know it has not or will not in the future impact transfers? The charges were made in February.Yes your right they most certainly lit a fuse which was great but they still pose a danger.Now hopefully they will come to nought. But in theory we are looking at very serious penalties including large point deductions and possibly relegation. Now I hope that won't happen but if it does it will for a season or two impact upon our transfer strategy.
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Up to today tell me one transfer that it's affected?

If we are found guilty then there well be serious consequences depending upon the seriousness but that a completely different scenario.

If we are guilty and the evidence shows that, then we must take the consequences and rightly so, not that I think there is a remote chance of it.
 
Keeper! said:
Up to today tell me one transfer that it's affected?

If we are found guilty then there well be serious consequences depending upon the seriousness but that a completely different scenario.

If we are guilty and the evidence shows that, then we must take the consequences and rightly so, not that I think there is a remote chance of
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There was a report that it was used as one reason not to join City in thev Bellingham saga. I don't think it was the main reason he went elsewhere. Clearly if serious punishment comes our way the scenario changes and the situation gets worse. All I am saying is that it is not helping our planning for the future.
I will now refrain from further comment on this and await what will hopefully be good news down the line.
 
Father Paul said:
There was a report that it was used as one reason not to join City in thev Bellingham saga. I don't think it was the main reason he went elsewhere. Clearly if serious punishment comes our way the scenario changes and the situation gets worse. All I am saying is that it is not helping our planning for the future.
I will now refrain from further comment on this and await what will hopefully be good news down the line.
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Where was the report? Facts please - not made up thoughts of your own
 
Father Paul said:
There was a report that it was used as one reason not to join City in thev Bellingham saga. I don't think it was the main reason he went elsewhere. Clearly if serious punishment comes our way the scenario changes and the situation gets worse. All I am saying is that it is not helping our planning for the future.
I will now refrain from further comment on this and await what will hopefully be good news down the line.
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From what I’ve read - Bellingham went to Spain simply because he’s always wanted to play for RM
 
Father Paul said:
There was a report that it was used as one reason not to join City in thev Bellingham saga. I don't think it was the main reason he went elsewhere. Clearly if serious punishment comes our way the scenario changes and the situation gets worse. All I am saying is that it is not helping our planning for the future.
I will now refrain from further comment on this and await what will hopefully be good news down the line.
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The same fictional report that stopped Haaland coming to us ;-)
 
I'm actually enjoying the weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth on social media.
Good opportunity to mention the rags being formed because Harry sold his dog, then the match fixing to avoid relegation against the red scouse and add on being relegated with the lowest aggregate attendance in the division and unable to pay the wages before their second sugar daddy, red Scouse REALLY seem upset when called Tory Boys after being formed by a Tory politician who attempted to rip off Everton but failed and set up his own club using his Mason contacts in Scotland to buy a team, which were mid-table second division side before the littlewoods money moved across Stanley Park.
If any of the Woolwich Nomads care to opine, just mention Henry Norris and ask them about their promotion season and they tend to go quiet
 
Father Paul said:
There was a report that it was used as one reason not to join City in thev Bellingham saga. I don't think it was the main reason he went elsewhere. Clearly if serious punishment comes our way the scenario changes and the situation gets worse. All I am saying is that it is not helping our planning for the future.
I will now refrain from further comment on this and await what will hopefully be good news down the line.
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Haha are you for real.

The impact this has had so far is that City won the treble, announce record profits with new sponsors and announced £300m new hotel and stand.

Your sole source for concern was a mystery snide report about Bellingham, who decided to join biggest club in the world and 13 times champions league winners Madrid.

The legal case will take years. You might want it over now but it’s impossible when the charges relate to multiple years.
 
Father Paul said:
There was a report that it was used as one reason not to join City in thev Bellingham saga. I don't think it was the main reason he went elsewhere. Clearly if serious punishment comes our way the scenario changes and the situation gets worse. All I am saying is that it is not helping our planning for the future.
I will now refrain from further comment on this and await what will hopefully be good news down the line.
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M8 have a read of this. It's from one of the experts in here. He really knows the case, he doesn't know the likely outcome though but suggests how serious the charges are.

You do sound like you've been battered by the media pov on this, they will make anyone believe anything, and that certainly seems the case with City. The piece below highlights how the media work, how they use the information in the ugliest way to make City seem guilty. And we might be, like you say, but it's useful to see a more balanced point of view from experts who are not biased.

stefanborson.substack.com

Conspiracy Theories and Innuendo will not prove the alleged Manchester City Conspiracy

There will be no Super Sub for cogent evidence
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Prophet of Doom said:
Haha are you for real.

The impact this has had so far is that City won the treble, announce record profits with new sponsors and announced £300m new hotel and stand.

Your sole source for concern was a mystery snide report about Bellingham, who decided to join biggest club in the world and 13 times champions league winners Madrid.

The legal case will take years. You might want it over now but it’s impossible when the charges relate to multiple years.
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You don’t announce £300 million pound infrastructure and ground extensions if they thought the Premier league was going to put us in the National league. Everton have got charged after City and have a hearing pencilled in for October. Where as there is silence on when City will get theirs.

From reading the piece @projectriver put together a few weeks back. I’d hazard a guess the arguing points are the 6 year limitations in English law of how far the Premier league can go back unless it’s deemed as major fraud. These would be the sticking points, if it is major fraud is a three man independent forum the right place to hear and adjudicate on the evidence? They have a high bar to jump through to prove what allegations they have put against City if so.

The Premier League are going up against people who are a lot smarter than them. How they messed up announcing the charges demonstrates they are incompetent. How they are being led by owners of United, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal to conduct a smear campaign against City when the four named clubs were quick to jump ship on the Premier League for the Super league also shows they aren’t the sharpest tools in the box.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
You don’t announce £300 million pound infrastructure and ground extensions if they thought the Premier league was going to put us in the National league. Everton have got charged after City and have a hearing pencilled in for October. Where as there is silence on when City will get theirs.

From reading the piece @projectriver put together a few weeks back. I’d hazard a guess the arguing points are the 6 year limitations in English law of how far the Premier league can go back unless it’s deemed as major fraud. These would be the sticking points, if it is major fraud is a three man independent forum the right place to hear and adjudicate on the evidence? They have a high bar to jump through to prove what allegations they have put against City if so.

The Premier League are going up against people who are a lot smarter than them. How they messed up announcing the charges demonstrates they are incompetent. How they are being led by owners of United, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal to conduct a smear campaign against City when the four named clubs were quick to jump ship on the Premier League for the Super league also shows they aren’t the sharpest tools in the box.
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City are a huge part of the future of football in this Country. We’ve just had the best season in the history of English football. Nobody has ever achieved what we achieved last season…nobody - despite the snide media spin. The Premier League didn’t see that coming for one second. City are now a world force whether they like it or not.
They must be be asking themselves two big questions
Why on Earth did we do it ?
How do we get out of it ?
 
Keeper! said:
Up to today tell me one transfer that it's affected?

If we are found guilty then there well be serious consequences depending upon the seriousness but that a completely different scenario.

If we are guilty and the evidence shows that, then we must take the consequences and rightly so, not that I think there is a remote chance of it.
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Judging by the dates they are investigating, Kaka ;)
 
Father Paul said:
There was a report that it was used as one reason not to join City in thev Bellingham saga. I don't think it was the main reason he went elsewhere. Clearly if serious punishment comes our way the scenario changes and the situation gets worse. All I am saying is that it is not helping our planning for the future.
I will now refrain from further comment on this and await what will hopefully be good news down the line.
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Good idea to stop posting. Maybe stop agonising about how successful we could have been had it not been for the charges. Like you I am terribly disappointed about outcomes from last season, our ongoing meteoric increase in revenue, stadium expansion plans and the new arena etc.
If only we had known our place, kept Thaskin and prevented the takeover by the ADUG.
 
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