VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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It’s never going to happen but personally I’d rather go full on Luddite and reduce the amount of replays that are showed and get rid of VAR altogether.

The expectations on referees nowadays is horrendous and the narrative has changed in that they’re blamed for every decision rather than any blame going on the players themselves and VAR has made that considerably more too.

Really not sure what the answer is to deal with the underlying issue that Dean talks about there, collective responsibility in VAR rather than individual may well be a good step.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
but some incidences are really just not black and white that can be found in the LOTG, a lot of decisions come down to interpretation , a heavy challenge can be deemed to excessive by some and not by others. hence pundits that have been in the game all their lives disagree on a weekly basis, same for fans.

Football has probably more grey areas than other sports. Hence the argument VAR works better in other sports doesn't really compare.

Still, we know a few officials on the pitch just leads to blind guesses , rather have officials on a monitor who can also assist the ref - just need them to get everything 100% correct. which isn't going to happen ever.
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The inconsistency of the application of simple laws & the excuses have changed it to subjective when it’s not.

There was nothing subjective about the offside at OT. The lies about interference or the faintest touch of a ball whilst fouling a player is more corrupt bullshit. Then they say manage the occasion, don’t spoil the game with a red. It’s fucking lies & corruption, we’ve had pens against us in the 2nd minute, red cards at 10 mins & always contrary to another occasion.

The laws were simple & b&w, but the media, PGMOL has changed it so that it’s dependant on the ref, & who the teams are.
 
meltonblue said:
It’s never going to happen but personally I’d rather go full on Luddite and reduce the amount of replays that are showed and get rid of VAR altogether.

The expectations on referees nowadays is horrendous and the narrative has changed in that they’re blamed for every decision rather than any blame going on the players themselves and VAR has made that considerably more too.

Really not sure what the answer is to deal with the underlying issue that Dean talks about there, collective responsibility in VAR rather than individual may well be a good step.
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Not me, we’ll never make them honest but at least show them for the corrupt cunts they are.
 
cheekybids said:
Not me, we’ll never make them honest but at least show them for the corrupt cunts they are.
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Personally I thought the podcast and Deans comments were very honest and showed it to be less likely to be corruption - it’s inability to perform the role to the levels required for reasons like the ones Dean talks about, which ultimately led to him leaving the role.

If you’re talking about honesty in the moment, then that’s where I think having more than one person in the VAR booth may help. Clearly if you start from the perception that they’re all corrupt, that wouldn’t work either though!
 
BlueHammer85 said:
but some incidences are really just not black and white that can be found in the LOTG, a lot of decisions come down to interpretation , a heavy challenge can be deemed to excessive by some and not by others. hence pundits that have been in the game all their lives disagree on a weekly basis, same for fans.

Football has probably more grey areas than other sports. Hence the argument VAR works better in other sports doesn't really compare.

Still, we know a few officials on the pitch just leads to blind guesses , rather have officials on a monitor who can also assist the ref - just need them to get everything 100% correct. which isn't going to happen ever.
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I think you are missing the point. An official said he saw a red-card incident and ignored it because the ref was his mate. No hmming and ahrring this time, no back and forth on clear and obvious, fewer dives, more offsides given to the mm correctly. There should be a full independent review of the way VAR operates to see if this happens more often. Without it, what's the point of it?

I don't know how this can be seen as anything other than a catastrophic breakdown in whatever trust there was left in VAR.
 
halfcenturyup said:
I think you are missing the point. An official said he saw a red-card incident and ignored it because the ref was his mate. No hmming and ahrring this time, no back and forth on clear and obvious, fewer dives, more offsides given to the mm correctly. There should be a full independent review of the way VAR operates to see if this happens more often. Without it, what's the point of it?

I don't know how this can be seen as anything other than a catastrophic breakdown in whatever trust there was left in VAR.
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As post above mentioned he was being totally honest and open on how he dealt with that specific incident, he panicked and didn't send the ref to the monitor and deeply regrets it - I don't see anything that hints towards a golden envelope and dark powers to manipulate results, just human error and highlights the pressure the officials are under.

All for independent reviews and more transparency for sure though.
 
Iv said it before. Its chaos in the VAR room. So many emotions, biases, interpretations, devolution of decision making. And when you have that going on, in any team I have worked in anyway, the results are confusing and random. And thats what we're seeing.

VAR has taken game officiating backwards and we all known that. Thats the be all and end all for me.
 
Gray said:
A completely independent VAR body is required made up of ex-players, they are the ones who know exactly what goes on during a match.
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Those 2 sets are mutually exclusive, mate.

Show me an ex-player who doesn't still possess the tribal connection to his ex-employer and/or hold grudges and deep-seated opinions about other teams, and I'll show you some pictures of me kissing my own arse!
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
Those 2 sets are mutually exclusive, mate.

Show me an ex-player who doesn't still possess the tribal connection to his ex-employer and I'll show you some pictures of me kissing my own arse!
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Imagine the VAR room made up of rio ferdinand, steve G, Ian Wright.... YEah no complaints there.

Stupidiest idea to get traction ever.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
VAR has taken game officiating backwards and we all known that. Thats the be all and end all for me.
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how is it determined the games gone backwards ? out of interest.

If anything since introduction of VAR, the games gone more global, higher revenues, higher stadium capacities and record TV viewership's.
 
Mike Dean proving again what a fucking narcissist he is. Imagine coming out and saying that and thinking it'd be ok. Not only that, he's ADDED further pressure and scrutiny to his mates. I'm sure Taylor will be thrilled the microscope will be on him now this weekend.

I've said it many times but VAR being operated by these clowns opens their little boys club up to manipulation. Emotional calls and what is (in my opinion) clear match fixing are shafting fans and clubs on a weekly basis. Independent regulation needed.
 
meltonblue said:
Personally I thought the podcast and Deans comments were very honest and showed it to be less likely to be corruption - it’s inability to perform the role to the levels required for reasons like the ones Dean talks about, which ultimately led to him leaving the role.

If you’re talking about honesty in the moment, then that’s where I think having more than one person in the VAR booth may help. Clearly if you start from the perception that they’re all corrupt, that wouldn’t work either though!
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Forms of corruption below.
  • 4.1 Bribery.
  • 4.2 Embezzlement, theft and fraud.
  • 4.3 Graft.
  • 4.4 Extortion and blackmail.
  • 4.5 Influence peddling.
  • 4.6 Networking.
  • 4.7 Abuse of discretion.
  • 4.8 Favoritism, nepotism and clientelism.
It’s corrupt, very few are the expected brown envelopes.
 
AI powered technology was used to speed up VAR offside calls at the World Cup. I read recently that the NFL was investing heavily in its utilisation.
It has to be the way forward to remove the clunky and inconsistent human element.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
As post above mentioned he was being totally honest and open on how he dealt with that specific incident, he panicked and didn't send the ref to the monitor and deeply regrets it - I don't see anything that hints towards a golden envelope and dark powers to manipulate results, just human error and highlights the pressure the officials are under.

All for independent reviews and more transparency for sure though.
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A police officer sees a car driving erratically but after recognising the driver & assumes he’s on the way back from the pub & doesn’t want to embarrass him by breathalysing him…….
 
BeerIsTheBest said:
AI powered technology was used to speed up VAR offside calls at the World Cup. I read recently that the NFL was investing heavily in its utilisation.
It has to be the way forward to remove the clunky and inconsistent human element.
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I am a bit slow to jump on the AI bandwagon granted, but it seems everything has to be "AI" these days. Exactly what was AI about the offside calls at the WC?
 
cheekybids said:
A police officer sees a car driving erratically but after recognising the driver & assumes he’s on the way back from the pub & doesn’t want to embarrass him by breathalysing him…….
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Don't think drink driving is quite the same as a hair pull in a football match which without VAR would have gone unnoticed anyway. it won't from now on.
 
halfcenturyup said:
I am a bit slow to jump on the AI bandwagon granted, but it seems everything has to be "AI" these days. Exactly what was AI about the offside calls at the WC?
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Halfcentury

Bet you are faster than me. I’m a proper luddite

this link explains how AI was utilised at the WC

www.espn.co.uk

Semi-automated offside approved for World Cup

FIFA has approved the use of its new semi-automated VAR offside technology for the 2022 World Cup in Qatar.
www.espn.co.uk www.espn.co.uk
 
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