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One for the referees out there to explain ( I've not seen it mentioned so far )
Looking back at Attwell's performance of yesterday. He awards the Rags their usual penalty for yet another of St Marcus's ridiculous dives. He sends a Forest player off notwithstanding the through-ball was clearly on its way into the goalkeeper's arms ( and there was a covering defender in place - just in case ). But the Rags' second goal perplexes me.
RatFace Fernandes sits down and is promptly awarded a free kick.
Rather than hoof the free kick into the area, Fernandes passes the ball sideways to a an unmarked rag outside the area.
The Penalty Area empties as Forest "push up", but leaving Casemiro prostrate on the ground in the 6-yard box.
The ball is then passed to the right wing ( Casemiro still clearly in an offside position -but arguably not interfering with play < yes, yes - I know we're dealing with Attwell here > )
The ball is crossed into the 6 yard box - and a recovering Casemiro traps the ball and puts it into the net. He was on-side when the cross is made but shouldn't he have been deemed offside because of his being offside at the start of the move ?
We regularly see a player "offside" at the start of a move ( but the ball is not played to him and therefore not active ) The game continues and the player - previously offside gets back onside - the ball is then played to him - the flag then goes up and referee gestures with his arms that a "cross-over" has taken place. The player is deemed to be offside because by touching the ball he has become active. What's the difference between those situations and Casemiro's
yesterday ?
I think you're getting mixed up with a player being offside when the ball is played forward to them, but because they're running towards their own goal, they're onside when they receive it. Those are the ones the ref gestures as offside/crossover.

Casemiro was onside.
 
Nottingham Forest are considering whether to lodge an official complaint with the Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) over the performance of the refereeing team

Forest boss Steve Cooper said he needed to "bite his tongue" over what he really felt about referee Stuart Attwell and his colleagues.

However, it is understood Forest officials left Old Trafford seething over various decisions they felt were pivotal in deciding the game's outcome.

After Saturday's game, which Forest led 2-0 after four minutes, Cooper said: "In games like this you need things to be how they should. I am not going to talk too much as I don't want to get into trouble but I was surprised how quickly the decisions were made.

I hope they do, managers and clubs inc us have to start calling it out more and getting it into the public domain. It’s got worse since Webb took over and Attwell should not officiate another Rag game
Why do they bite their tongues and try to not get into trouble though?

That’s enabling them!
 
I remember thinking about half way through the first half that he was being particularly fair - definitely way up there IMO. Although, that probably speaks to the many refs that are clearly bent as fuck

Should have booked a SU player or 2 earlier though - just encouraged them the get ever more 'physical'
 
Why do they bite their tongues and try to not get into trouble though?

That’s enabling them!
They complained about Bobby Madeley's brother last season.

He made some very strange decisions against them in a couple of matches last season citing he was officiating them as a fan of Huddersfield Town, (Who Forest beat to go up) not as a professional.

PL fined Cooper and didn't remove him from any further matches. Maybe that's why they are a bit shy this time?
 
This is an extract from The Laws of the Game:

"A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:
- a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area)
- holds an opponent
- impedes an opponent with contact"

Added to this, a foul becomes a penalty when a defender commits one of these offences against an opponent in the defender's penalty area.

Other guidelines are being applied though, when considering when a penalty should be awarded. Mike Riley said the following before the 2021-22 season, and these guidelines haven't been revoked. Articles at the time said this.

The Premier League will implement a higher threshold for fouls to win a penalty and offsides next season in order to create a more free-flowing game.

Mike Riley, the head of the Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL), has revealed that officials will push back on a more forensic approach to decision-making, meaning fewer penalties and fouls will be awarded for minimal contact.

Referees will look for contact and establish clear contact, then ask themselves the question: does that contact have a consequence?” Riley said. “They will then ask themselves a question: has the player used that contact to actually try and win a foul penalty? So it’s not sufficient just to say: ‘Yes, there’s contact.’

“I think that the feedback we’ve had from players, both attackers and defenders, [is that] you want it to be a proper foul that has a consequence, not something that somebody has used slight to contact to go over, and we’ve given the penalty to reward it.”

Riley said he hoped the rules would help to persuade players to stay on their feet in the box. Under the new guidance, the penalty Raheem Sterling won for England against Denmark in the Euro 2020 semi-final would not have been given and, if it had, the decision would be expected to be overturned by VAR.

So, a higher threshold is to be applied for awarding a penalty since 2021.

The introduction to this season's amendments to the LOTG includes the following:

Foul leniency

Referee guidelines around what constitutes a foul have also been updated to hopefully reduce unnecessary stoppage.

A higher threshold will be applied to contact between players to allow the game to flow better without so many free-kicks.

So we have gone from a higher threshold in 2021 to an even higher threshold in 2023. The question is, where was Stuart Attwell when the PGMOL briefings were given?

The three pictures below are from this weekend's games.

United. Was there contact between the Forest player and Rashford? Maybe. If there was, it was minimal. Did it meet the higher threshold? Definitely not. Referring to Mike Riley's briefing, has the player used that contact to actually try and win a foul penalty? Most assuredly yes.

Aston Villa. Was there contact between the Burnley player and the Villa player? Yes. Did it meet the higher threshold? Yes, it is a clear foul to put the attacker off as he was preparing to shoot. This wasn't even looked at by VAR to my knowledge.

City (this is an example of contact that happens in every game). Was there contact between the Sheffield United player and Haaland? Yes. Did it meet the higher threshold? Yes, it is a clear foul to impede the attacker, regardless of where the ball is.

So, if the Rashford incident constituted a penalty, with minimal contact, under the Laws of the Game, every single time a defender holds an opponent while the ball is in play should result in a penalty, regardless of where the ball is or the outcome of the sequence of play (unless a goal is scored).
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Look at the BBC today… numerous articles all praising the Rags comeback… not a sentence about the potentially off-side goal, the dodgy sending off or the blatant dive for a penalty.
Micah & Keown were almost apoplectic on Final Score over the decision to award the penalty. By the time MotD came around it was being glossed over. Looks like the media don't want to stir up a shit-storm over the referee's trying to manufacture results. Probably because an actual title-race benefits them as well.
 
That Coote is a dodgy one. Var in the cup final where he did not overturn the refs error in not sending Casemiro off, gave the soft penalty v Jack, ignored the blatant one on Kev and was on Var yesterday where he somehow thought Haaland being wrestled to the ground was not a penalty.
Another cheat who we should insist is not given our games
 
That Coote is a dodgy one. Var in the cup final where he did not overturn the refs error in not sending Casemiro off, gave the soft penalty v Jack, ignored the blatant one on Kev and was on Var yesterday where he somehow thought Haaland being wrestled to the ground was not a penalty.
Another cheat who we should insist is not given our games
A bent rag **** from Nottingham.
 

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