United Thread - 2023/24

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Blue Mist said:
Eleven.
11
9+2 = the amount of consecutive rag matches at home.



11. I might not have mentioned that
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That cannot be justified.

That mere fact alone tells you something is not right: taking aside all the sycophancy from the media, the on-field decisions always going their way - despite continued scrutiny, and the way those players are permitted to conduct themselves on and off the field; forget all that (momentarily!),and think about the brain-numbing chances of being drawn at home for all those cup games.

Statistically, something is very very wrong.
 
From the 4th round of the 2018-19 FA Cup until the 6th round of the following year the filth had actually been drawn Away on every occasion - Arsenal, Chelsea, Wolves, then Wolves again, Tranmere, Derby and Norwich (last one behind closed doors). There was a home replay in there, but that was 7 successive times their ball came out Away. 2 penalties awarded for. 0 against. 1 opposition sending off, no sendings-off for them. All very off-narrative, this, but I’ve only found this out because I was looking for evidence to support my belief that they always get a home draw. Soz.

But…. since round 3 of 2020-21, they’ve been in an FA Cup draw on 10 occasions. 9 (NINE) times they’ve come out at home. The only non-PL team they’ve drawn in this time was Boro, who knocked them out on penalties. The only away draw in this time was when they had to go to Leicester in the 6th round of lockdown season. Leicester went on to win the Cup. During this time they’ve been awarded 3 penalties (0 conceded, obvs), 3 opposition sendings-off (2 simultaneously against Fulham, when they were losing, scoring the ensuing penalty to equalise, and winning late on), and 0 sendings-off for them.

Over the same period i.e. from 2018-19 until now, in the Carabao Cup draws have also heavily favoured United. Leaving aside the 2020-21 season, where all games except the final were behind closed doors (and in which United had 3 successive away draws, the latter against Everton played before a miserable 2,000 crowd, and a 1-leg semi final at home with no crowd at all to watch the Mighty Blues beat them again), and including last night’s draw, United have been drawn out of the bag nine times - EIGHT times at home.

Draw your own conclusions. Them’s the facts.
 
DenisHasDoneIt said:
From the 4th round of the 2018-19 FA Cup until the 6th round of the following year the filth had actually been drawn Away on every occasion - Arsenal, Chelsea, Wolves, then Wolves again, Tranmere, Derby and Norwich (last one behind closed doors). There was a home replay in there, but that was 7 successive times their ball came out Away. 2 penalties awarded for. 0 against. 1 opposition sending off, no sendings-off for them. All very off-narrative, this, but I’ve only found this out because I was looking for evidence to support my belief that they always get a home draw. Soz.

But…. since round 3 of 2020-21, they’ve been in an FA Cup draw on 10 occasions. 9 (NINE) times they’ve come out at home. The only non-PL team they’ve drawn in this time was Boro, who knocked them out on penalties. The only away draw in this time was when they had to go to Leicester in the 6th round of lockdown season. Leicester went on to win the Cup. During this time they’ve been awarded 3 penalties (0 conceded, obvs), 3 opposition sendings-off (2 simultaneously against Fulham, when they were losing, scoring the ensuing penalty to equalise, and winning late on), and 0 sendings-off for them.

Over the same period i.e. from 2018-19 until now, in the Carabao Cup draws have also heavily favoured United. Leaving aside the 2020-21 season, where all games except the final were behind closed doors (and in which United had 3 successive away draws, the latter against Everton played before a miserable 2,000 crowd, and a 1-leg semi final at home with no crowd at all to watch the Mighty Blues beat them again), and including last night’s draw, United have been drawn out of the bag nine times - EIGHT times at home.

Draw your own conclusions. Them’s the facts.
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So 19 cup draws, 17 of them at home.

I’ll have no chin left to rub.
 
JASR said:
So approx 2000-1 odds. Ie less likely than united being relegated (iirc)

But , yeah, no bias/fixing going on.
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We’ve had draws where Nedum Onuoha and Jill Scott have been the two pulling the balls out. If there were warm balls or whatever nonsense people think goes on, surely they’d have broken the silence on the fixing?

It’s like when Redshirts were claiming we were fixing draws when City were constantly pulling out piss easy draws against the likes of Port Vale and Newport for about seven years running. It just happens sometimes.

From 2011 onwards we pulled these out of the bag and had everyone calling it a fix:

Leicester (Championship) a
Notts County (League 1) a
Reading (Championship) h
Birmingham (Championship) h
Wolves (Championship) a
Watford (Championship) h
Leeds (Champ) h
Barnsley (Champ) h
Blackburn (Champ) a
Watford (Champ) h
Wigan (Champ) h
Wigan (Champ) h
Leicester (Champ) a
SheffWeds (Champ) h
Norwich (Champ) a
Sunderland (Champ) a
Hull (Champ) h
Hudds (Champ) a
Boro (Champ) a
Cardiff (Champ) a
Wigan (League 1) a
Wolves (Champ) h
Bristol C (Champ) h/a
Rotherham (Champ) h
Newport (League 2) a
Swansea (Champ) a
Oxford (League 1) a
Burton (League 1) h/a
Port Vale (League 2) h
Fulham (Champ) h
Sheff Wednesday (Champ) a
Preston (Champ) a
Oxford (League 1) a
Birmingham (Champ) h
Cheltenham (League 2) a
Swansea (Champ) a
Bournemouth (Champ) h
Wycombe (League 1) h
Swindon (League 2) a
Fulham (Champ) h
Peterborough (League 1) a
Bristol City (Champ) a
Burnley (Champ) h
Sheffield United (Champ) n

Even in the CL we’ve had dross like Plzn CSKA Kyiv Donetsk Celtic Feyenoord Basel Hoffenheim Shalke Zagreb Lyon Olympiacos Marseille Brugge. In one Ro16 CL game against Shalke (who were down at the bottom of the Bundesliga and were absolutely shite) we had the same aggregate scoreline as we had against Burton Albion.

We were even handed CL games against English teams where we were 25 points (Liverpool) and 27 points (Spurs) ahead of in the Prem table at the time (yet we ended up going out to both of them).

We of all teams can never really moan about Cup draws.
 
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