UAP/UFO thread - Non-Human Intelligences

argyle said:
You could look at the 'history' of that group/culture, look at previous finds, excavations and material culture and of other sites around it and to come to a rational explanation.

Or...

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What group? Those cave drawings have been there thousands of years!
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
What group? Those cave drawings have been there thousands of years!
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I'm a qualified Archaeologist, thank you for explaning cave drawings and how old some of them they are to me.

The group, in the sense of the group/culture that made them.
 
I used to love this stuff back in the day. It's one of them topics where people laugh at people for having an interest, But people that believe in God or seen ghosts seem sane enough!

I don't know why the media are playing it up, whenever they do its often to hide something else surely?

Anyway, Bob Lazaar is an interesting case, often discredited and called a liar he did mention he back-engineered alien space craft in the 80s. What made no sense at the time is how they got here, speed of light travel is not possible etc. He mentioned element 115, which distorted gravity and warped time and space somehow, bringing destinations close together, that's how they travelled vast distances. It was ridiculed because this element wasnt found anywhere on earth, until some Russians synthezied it with a silly half life of under a second.. 30 years later. He always said Americans had tonnes of it. He even passed polygraph tests

He's the only reason why I would ever raise eyebrows. The grainy vids and terrible CGI put me off what people post today.

The universe is an interesting place. Sure there is life out there, it would be ignorant to think we are the only ones. Whether they have visited us is another matter!!
 
Crouchinho said:
I used to love this stuff back in the day. It's one of them topics where people laugh at people for having an interest, But people that believe in God or seen ghosts seem sane enough!

I don't know why the media are playing it up, whenever they do its often to hide something else surely?

Anyway, Bob Lazaar is an interesting case, often discredited and called a liar he did mention he back-engineered alien space craft in the 80s. What made no sense at the time is how they got here, speed of light travel is not possible etc. He mentioned element 115, which distorted gravity and warped time and space somehow, bringing destinations close together, that's how they travelled vast distances. It was ridiculed because this element wasnt found anywhere on earth, until some Russians synthezied it with a silly half life of under a second.. 30 years later. He always said Americans had tonnes of it. He even passed polygraph tests

He's the only reason why I would ever raise eyebrows. The grainy vids and terrible CGI put me off what people post today.

The universe is an interesting place. Sure there is life out there, it would be ignorant to think we are the only ones. Whether they have visited us is another matter!!
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It's an interesting conundrum isn't it?

If we accept that the universe is so huge that there must be intelligent life out there, then we must assume some is far more advanced than humanity. In which case, if inter-stellar space travel is possible then how come there is no evidence?

I suppose, we could be so uninteresting that it isn't worth the effort. It's pretty arrogant to assume we are anything other than insignificant tbh.

Or maybe it's because advanced species are careful about introducing themselves to underdeveloped species. I am not sure I buy that. We don't have a great history of more sophisticated civilisations being anything other than barbaric when dealing with the less developed, so I am not sure I would assume more advanced species will be anything other than complete cunts as well. Same rationale for time travel, btw. If it was possible, grandfather paradox or not, then some fucker would have screwed everything up by now.

More likely, is that inter-stellar travel isn't possible. Either Einstein's theories hold up for ever and nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. I am not sure I buy that either. Why should I? All theories are fine until someone finds some way to contradict them. Or talk of wormholes and bending space time is just theoretical discussion but practically impossible. I suppose if travel was that easy then aliens would be coming here for their holidays. Not sure I buy that either.

So, as I said, it's a conundrum.
 
halfcenturyup said:
It's an interesting conundrum isn't it?

If we accept that the universe is so huge that there must be intelligent life out there, then we must assume some is far more advanced than humanity. In which case, if inter-stellar space travel is possible then how come there is no evidence?

I suppose, we could be so uninteresting that it isn't worth the effort. It's pretty arrogant to assume we are anything other than insignificant tbh.

Or maybe it's because advanced species are careful about introducing themselves to underdeveloped species. I am not sure I buy that. We don't have a great history of more sophisticated civilisations being anything other than barbaric when dealing with the less developed, so I am not sure I would assume more advanced species will be anything other than complete cunts as well. Same rationale for time travel, btw. If it was possible, grandfather paradox or not, then some fucker would have screwed everything up by now.

More likely, is that inter-stellar travel isn't possible. Either Einstein's theories hold up for ever and nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. I am not sure I buy that either. Why should I? All theories are fine until someone finds some way to contradict them. Or talk of wormholes and bending space time is just theoretical discussion but practically impossible. I suppose if travel was that easy then aliens would be coming here for their holidays. Not sure I buy that either.

So, as I said, it's a conundrum.
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The fact is as it stands with all the technology we have all the searching, even all the amatuers, scanning the space with some very sophisticated equipment in some cases, we haven't found a single scrap of evidence a single signal that indicates intelligent life in the known universe.
We can all assume it must be there we can all assume there is more intelligent life,though it could be extinct. Yet as it stands there is no evidence of any and it's just as possible it's just us and we are the most intelligent life in the universe,at least this one.
Whatever, thinking other life has visited from other worlds is as fanciful as the ghost thread and flat earth threads.
 
Majority of people don't take much notice of this stuff because they've seen it all before!

The only way the world will take REAL notice is if a massive ufo hovered over one of the major countries..

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halfcenturyup said:
It's an interesting conundrum isn't it?

If we accept that the universe is so huge that there must be intelligent life out there, then we must assume some is far more advanced than humanity. In which case, if inter-stellar space travel is possible then how come there is no evidence?

I suppose, we could be so uninteresting that it isn't worth the effort. It's pretty arrogant to assume we are anything other than insignificant tbh.

Or maybe it's because advanced species are careful about introducing themselves to underdeveloped species. I am not sure I buy that. We don't have a great history of more sophisticated civilisations being anything other than barbaric when dealing with the less developed, so I am not sure I would assume more advanced species will be anything other than complete cunts as well. Same rationale for time travel, btw. If it was possible, grandfather paradox or not, then some fucker would have screwed everything up by now.

More likely, is that inter-stellar travel isn't possible. Either Einstein's theories hold up for ever and nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. I am not sure I buy that either. Why should I? All theories are fine until someone finds some way to contradict them. Or talk of wormholes and bending space time is just theoretical discussion but practically impossible. I suppose if travel was that easy then aliens would be coming here for their holidays. Not sure I buy that either.

So, as I said, it's a conundrum.
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Interestingly, i think it was Richard Dawkins who suggested the opposite...if we consider the sheer size of the universe, our position in it, how long the universe has existed, how long earth has existed, how long "intelligent life" has existed on earth...along with the billions and billions of processes, interactions and complete fluke that created life....then the chances of other intelligent life being out there are incredibly, incredibly small.....especially to think of them existing at this exact same moment.
 
blueparrot said:
The fact is as it stands with all the technology we have all the searching, even all the amatuers, scanning the space with some very sophisticated equipment in some cases, we haven't found a single scrap of evidence a single signal that indicates intelligent life in the known universe.
We can all assume it must be there we can all assume there is more intelligent life,though it could be extinct. Yet as it stands there is no evidence of any and it's just as possible it's just us and we are the most intelligent life in the universe,at least this one.
Whatever, thinking other life has visited from other worlds is as fanciful as the ghost thread and flat earth threads.
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:) No-one is really doubting that there is no evidence of extra-terrestrial life, but the absence of evidence isn't proof that something doesn't exist. Let's face it, the chances of picking up proof with the resources we have and the distances involved are negligible. But I think most respectable scientists now accept that extra-terrestrial life is more likely than the alternative. Or am I wrong in that assumption?
 
blueparrot said:
The fact is as it stands with all the technology we have all the searching, even all the amatuers, scanning the space with some very sophisticated equipment in some cases, we haven't found a single scrap of evidence a single signal that indicates intelligent life in the known universe.
We can all assume it must be there we can all assume there is more intelligent life,though it could be extinct. Yet as it stands there is no evidence of any and it's just as possible it's just us and we are the most intelligent life in the universe,at least this one.
Whatever, thinking other life has visited from other worlds is as fanciful as the ghost thread and flat earth threads.
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We struggle to find intelligent on this planet mate.
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
Interestingly, i think it was Richard Dawkins who suggested the opposite...if we consider the sheer size of the universe, our position in it, how long the universe has existed, how long earth has existed, how long "intelligent life" has existed on earth...along with the billions and billions of processes, interactions and complete fluke that created life....then the chances of other intelligent life being out there are incredibly, incredibly small.....especially to think of them existing at this exact same moment.
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It's all interesting isn't it? What about the possibility that the billions and billions of processes, interactions and complete flukes that created life as we know it, Jim, may be unique, but there are billions and billions of other processes, interactions and complete flukes that may create life in other forms. Seems a little closed-minded to me to suggest the same things have to happen elsewhere in the same way for life to form. I can't imagine we are that special.

I know I'm not :)
 
This is not my opinion but I remember reading something along the lines that once a civilisation has an industrial revolution of some kind, it is doomed. The theory was that the rush to leap forward forever would result in that civilisation destroying itself. The timescale given was a few hundred years. The way we have developed weapons of destruction that could wipe out mankind almost instantly, people like Putin and countries that have little value in citizens lives it could happen. So who is to say whether somewhere in the universe there has or has not been a civilisation like ours but that it had destroyed itself. In a universe that has been around for billions of years humans have only been on earth for a few thousand years so finding a civilisation at the same or near the same developed stage as us is unlikely. But I do think we take ourselves too seriously thinking we are something special when in the great scheme of things we certainly are not.
Oh well off to the ghosts thread now, not the one with Patrick and Demi though.
 
halfcenturyup said:
:) No-one is really doubting that there is no evidence of extra-terrestrial life, but the absence of evidence isn't proof that something doesn't exist. Let's face it, the chances of picking up proof with the resources we have and the distances involved are negligible. But I think most respectable scientists now accept that extra-terrestrial life is more likely than the alternative. Or am I wrong in that assumption?
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They accept extra terrestrial life is likely, not sure they accept intelligent more advance than ourselves extra terrestrial life exists.
 
blueparrot said:
The fact is as it stands with all the technology we have all the searching, even all the amatuers, scanning the space with some very sophisticated equipment in some cases, we haven't found a single scrap of evidence a single signal that indicates intelligent life in the known universe.
We can all assume it must be there we can all assume there is more intelligent life,though it could be extinct. Yet as it stands there is no evidence of any and it's just as possible it's just us and we are the most intelligent life in the universe,at least this one.
Whatever, thinking other life has visited from other worlds is as fanciful as the ghost thread and flat earth threads.
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According to experts if we compare to the search us humans have conducted to water in the ocean then we have searched a tablespoon full of water. So by comparison there is no fish in the sea because we haven't seen evidence in that spoonful of water.
 
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