Dispatches/Sunday Times investigation: Russell Brand accused of rape and sexual assault

[aguero93:20]

Has he run off to Russia yet?

 

[paulchapo]

Fair enough. Never meant to question your character, just respectfully counter some of your assertions.

I think the media can be a destructive force, but so can the police and the courts (both egregiously bad influences are on show in the Saville case).

And both can also be forces for good. I think they are both necessary to check the abuses of the other, which is why I don’t want to discount the exhaustive high journalistic standard investigations like the one by Dispatch and The Sunday Times, as they are often the only thing keeping the formal justice system accountable (the latter having far more power over the media than the other way round due to their legal enforcement powers alone).

Some sadly have.

The media can be a force for good and evil. There is no doubt dogged investigative journalism has brought justice for those ignored by the police and legal system. Like everything in life however it's a double edged sword.

 

[SWP's back]

That’s a separate argument. If matters progress to criminal proceedings then that will change things, but we aren’t there yet. At the moment all we have is a TV show and a newspaper article.

Do you think that alone should be enough to deprive someone of their livelihood? And if so, why?

Because they’re private companies and thus their sole driver is their shareholders. If they think not being associated with him is in their best interests then fair play. They aren’t de-platforming him, they are keeping his videos and removing the advertising no?

 

[SWP's back]

That makes me equally uncomfortable. Who polices the media?

The market. As I say, he’s not being silenced, they are depriving him, and themselves, of income on his videos whilst they investigate.

 

[youngbob]

No have you? That's down to the police and judicial system not people on a football forum, unless you're assigned to the case if one happens.

Lol. Yes. The details have been widely reported. Have you been sleeping under a rock? Actually read the things he's being accused of and how the accusations have been cross-referenced and backed up by witnesses.

 

[Dax777]

Regardless of the standards of the time, do you see an issue with Brand’s behaviour, a Tate like model?

Of course I find it despicable. Please please please it was never the standard of the time.

The first time I ever saw him I was repulsed. Everything about him screamed sexual deviancy. So I'm not a fan in anyway shape or form. That he has grown older and doesn't ooze leftist decadence from every pore isn't surprising either.

He said he has found religion and a North compass. Good for him. But if his past actions that are crimes and if proven then he should be charged, sentenced and locked up.

And there are many more from the hollywierd cult that should follow.

All that said , I'm a little uncomfortable with this format of reporters doing exposes for clicks and government officials ( yes, I consider the UK parliament part of government) pressuring private organizations to unperson someone on the basis of allegations.

That's my position. And I stand on it.

 

[Dax777]

He wasn’t accused by one person of one thing randomly on Twxttxr.

He was accused by many people of many things with supporting evidence after an exhaustive four year journalistic investigation that he himself (and his legal team) chose not to officially contest before or after the results of the investigation were released.

It goes back to so many men thinking that this is the same as someone randomly posting an accusation against them in their Anti-Vax Facebook group.

Again, finding his general attitude repulsive is a personal thing. His criminal allegations from what I have read is just 1.


He raped a woman in Hollywood when he tried to force her to join a threesome and she refused. Are there any others.

He was manipulative, emotionally abusive etc are all hard to quantify or prove. I sympathize with those who felt that way around him, but those aren't crimes.


What are the crimes, let's prosecute.

 

[Mon Autre]

I didn't say his behaviour was acceptable in my own opinion I said it's how he behaved at the time it's supposed to have happened. Indeed right at the start I said it wasn't a defence of Brand. That he used his fame, like lots of other famous people, to sleep with as many women as he could. Those are facts, ones he himself admits to. In fact he openly boasted and flaunted these facts at the time. You also don't have to explain what rape is or the psychological reasons most men who commit it do so, I'm well aware of them. I'm also aware why lots of women don't go to the police, I mentioned that. "Hard as I've no doubt it would have been" adding they should have still gone to the police. They should and even now, years later, they could still go to the police. The ones interviewed by the programme have had no difficulty recounting their stories to a media reporter, why not tell the police? I'd sure as hell want the fucker rotting in a prison cell if it was me, not just his reputation, which wasn't that great anyway, destroyed. He's made his millions I'm sure he can live comfortably if he never works again.
Finally, did you really imply at the end of your post that I don't think rape is a big deal??? Is that what you are saying?

What bearing does the fact that he openly admits to having used his fame as leverage to sleep with lots of women, have on the rape allegations? Nobody cares about how much consensual sex he's had. It has literally nothing to do with the fact that, as per the messages sent from his own phone, he has quite likely raped someone.

If we were talking about a shoplifter we wouldn't be talking about all of the times they've paid for something in a shop. It isn't isnt relevant.

Also, if you're concerned about coming across as though you don't think rape is a big deal, telling me to fuck off isn't the solution. Maybe go back and rethink your post.

 

[Mon Autre]

Okay a big ****. Not a nice person. Same as Mendy was in his treatment of women. It didn't make him a rapist though as two separate juries found him not guilty. The same as Brand isn't until legally convicted, in spite of the lynch mob having him already hanged. For the hard of hearing and the ones who get outraged at sections of my post, right at the start I said it wasn't a defence of Brand. Does he come across as a narcissist, a vile person and has he treated women like throwaway commodities in the past? Yes without a doubt. Do I find that behaviour acceptable? Absolutely not. Sadly, If such behaviour was worthy of a prison sentence there wouldn't be enough space to hold everyone.

Rape is an entirely different kettle of fish, but until he's legally convicted of such Brand is, or was, just a not very nice person who used his looks, fame and power to sleep with lots of women.

Why are you allowed to make a judgement that he's "not a very nice person" based on what you've seen and heard of him? And yet you have a problem with other people making a judgement that they believe the woman accusing him of rape? Your thoughts and opinions are based on things you've said and heard as much as anyone else's are.

 

[stonerblue]

Do you have a link to reports about YouTube and Paramount making their decisions based on a letter from a government minister?

I saw reports about Rumble and a few others receiving letters, but nothing regarding YouTube or Paramount, and no indications from them that a letter was the reason the former demonetised Brand’s channel or the latter halted production on Brand’s shows.

I may have missed it, though.

Didn't take much interest but think it was to rumble, whatever that us.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

What bearing does the fact that he openly admits to having used his fame as leverage to sleep with lots of women, have on the rape allegations? Nobody cares about how much consensual sex he's had. It has literally nothing to do with the fact that, as per the messages sent from his own phone, he has quite likely raped someone.

If we were talking about a shoplifter we wouldn't be talking about all of the times they've paid for something in a shop. It isn't isnt relevant.

Also, if you're concerned about coming across as though you don't think rape is a big deal, telling me to fuck off isn't the solution. Maybe go back and rethink your post.

It's also telling that many of the things people have accused him of relate to things he's openly admitted to doing and enjoying without prompting. Spitting on people, arranging threesomes with male friends, deep throat sex acts.

 

[paulchapo]

What bearing does the fact that he openly admits to having used his fame as leverage to sleep with lots of women, have on the rape allegations? Nobody cares about how much consensual sex he's had. It has literally nothing to do with the fact that, as per the messages sent from his own phone, he has quite likely raped someone.

If we were talking about a shoplifter we wouldn't be talking about all of the times they've paid for something in a shop. It isn't isnt relevant.

Also, if you're concerned about coming across as though you don't think rape is a big deal, telling me to fuck off isn't the solution. Maybe go back and rethink your post.

I don't need to rethink my post and I stand by my reply to you.

 

[paulchapo]

It's also telling that many of the things people have accused him of relate to things he's openly admitted to doing and enjoying without prompting. Spitting on people, arranging threesomes with male friends, deep throat sex acts.

All of those acts plenty of people will have indulged in. Shock horror I know. Some people even whip others, drip candle wax on them, crap on them and worse. So long as it's consensual and not deemed as illegal it's fine. Lots of others will find such acts reprehensible but so what?

Again he can do what he likes sexually so long as it's legal. The fact some find his sexual behaviour and treatment of others appalling doesn't make him a rapist. Having sex with somebody without their consent does. That's down to a court of law to.prove.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

All of those acts plenty of people will have indulged in. Shock horror I know. Some people even whip others, drip candle wax on them, crap on them and worse. So long as it's consensual and not deemed as illegal it's fine. Lots of others will find such acts reprehensible but so what?

Again he can do what he likes sexually so long as it's legal. The fact some find his sexual behaviour and treatment of others appalling doesn't make him a rapist. Having sex with somebody without their consent does. That's down to a court of law to.prove.

Yeah maybe just like Jimmy Savile. Hiding in plain sight.

You should probably give it a rest.

"What kind of man was I? Treating women in this way? If this is what I'm telling you, can you imagine what's being left out?" Russell writes in one of his memoirs.

What are describing isn't legal anyway. If you whip someone and cause physical injury, even if they consented to it, it's not lawful. Because that consent is invalid when it's for sexual gratification.

 

[MillisleBlue]

What this highlights to me is just how quickly someones life can be turned upside down or completely destroyed by the media, i'm not for one minute saying he is innocent in all of this but it isn't as if he has been charged or found guilty of anything yet.

What if this all turned out to be people trying to destroy his reputation and nothing more, quite worrying how this can happen.

Given the influence of the media, these are some very dangerous times we’re living in.

 

[paulchapo]

Yeah maybe just like Jimmy Savile. Hiding in plain sight.

You should probably give it a rest.

"What kind of man was I? Treating women in this way? If this is what I'm telling you, can you imagine what's being left out?" Russell writes in one of his memoirs.

What are describing isn't legal anyway. If you whip someone and cause physical injury, even if they consented to it, it's not lawful. Because that consent is invalid when it's for sexual gratification.

Perhaps he is, perhaps he isn't. If he is he won't be the only one. He certainly won't be the first or the last.

Maybe you and the some of the other moral judge, juries and executioners on here should too.

Mick Hucknall has said the same on more than one occasion about his treatment of women. His regrets. I think he claimed he'd slept with over 1,000 women. Young, famous and rich. He wouldn't have even had to try. If he was Mick from Old Trafford working in Sainsbury's he'd have been lucky to have dated five women. Such is life.

Correct. The Spanner case confirmed that. It is something the police will turn a blind eye to unless serious injury is being caused and a crime reported.

Then we have MMA and boxing. Millions derive pleasure from those acts, whose sole aim is to cause injury to another and have resulted in deaths. Horses for courses. I'm sure some get off on watching somebody beaten to a pulp.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Given the influence of the media, these are some very dangerous times we’re living in.

It’s been very dangerous times for women to live in for… well, the entirety of human history.

If it is very dangerous times because slightly more men will be held accountable for their behaviour (not even substantially more, mind)—when historically almost none have been—then I think perhaps we need to reassess what we consider “dangerous”, why we consider it “dangerous”, and who is being included in “we”.

 

[kaz7]

What this highlights to me is just how quickly someones life can be turned upside down or completely destroyed by the media, i'm not for one minute saying he is innocent in all of this but it isn't as if he has been charged or found guilty of anything yet.

What if this all turned out to be people trying to destroy his reputation and nothing more, quite worrying how this can happen.

His gross behaviour was there in plain sight , after saville creeps like brand must be investigated , we cannot allow saville to happen again . A four yr investigations and several alleged victims suggests he abused his power of celebrity , the police will decide the facts , he has only himself to blame acting like he has for many years

Am i the only one who saw him on his time of big brothers big mouth , he acted like a pervy creep

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Perhaps he is, perhaps he isn't. If he is he won't be the only one. He certainly won't be the first or the last.

Maybe you and the some of the other moral judge, juries and executioners on here should too.

Mick Hucknall has said the same on more than one occasion about his treatment of women. His regrets. I think he claimed he'd slept with over 1,000 women. Young, famous and rich. He wouldn't have even had to try. If he was Mick from Old Trafford working in Sainsbury's he'd have been lucky to have dated five women. Such is life.

Correct. The Spanner case confirmed that. It is something the police will turn a blind eye to unless serious injury is being caused and a crime reported.

Then we have MMA and boxing. Millions derive pleasure from those acts, whose sole aim is to cause injury to another and have resulted in deaths. Horses for courses. I'm sure some get off on watching somebody beaten to a pulp.

He's a rag. Of course he's guilty. Cut it off and feed it to him.

 

[paulchapo]

He's a rag. Of course he's guilty. Cut it off and feed it to him.

Fucking right....and a ginger!