HS2 - Birmingham to Manchester scrapped.

"It is going to be scrapped but isn't...HS2 will run to Birmingham and will then join the WCML to continue its journey to Manchester."

Once it leaves Birmingham it's at the mercy of Network Rail and other train operators.

In other words it's will terminate at Brum and anyone going any further will be sardined in local XC/WC services to Manchester so it can never be late.


First group getting the West Coast extension makes sense now.
 
TinFoilHat said:
"It is going to be scrapped but isn't...HS2 will run to Birmingham and will then join the WCML to continue its journey to Manchester."

Once it leaves Birmingham it's at the mercy of Network Rail and other train operators.

In other words it's will terminate at Brum and anyone going any further will be sardined in local XC/WC services to Manchester so it can never be late.


First group getting the West Coast extension makes sense now.
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The clueless Tories and equally clueless media keep referring to the northern limit of phase 1 as "Birmingham" when it is in fact Handsacre Junction which will be between Lichfield and Rugeley.
At least Manchester, Liverpool and Glasgow trains will be able to whoosh at 250mph to there, and then slow to a crawl at Colwich Junction where the line speed is 50mph.
 
BBC now doing one of those reports where they can tell you exactly what Sunak is going to say tomorrow and it's been scrapped.

If he actually spends the money on a decent rail service from Liverpool to Leeds, it's probably the right decision but he'll probably go for Crossrail 37 to shave 30.seconds off a journey in London
 
If he actually spends the money on a decent rail service from Liverpool to Leeds.
The Manchester-Liverpool could do with upgrading too. I take it the Liverpool-Leeds also includes Manchester-Leeds?
 
Whole bloody thing needs scrapping. Far too much wildlife habitat dug up and destroyed already. Better off spending the billions trying to mitigate the climate catastrophe.
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
Banbury's arguable, perhaps (although twenty miles is actually quite a lot in the smallish country that is England). But the most important town in Oxfordshire is Oxford. And I'm pretty sure that most of its inhabitants (excluding students, of course, who come from all over) don't see themselves as living in the Midlands. So wherever they are, it's not there.
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We’re in no-man’s-land here In Banbury.
Oxford in 1/2 hour Birmingham airport in 45mins, Heathrow in 1 hour , family in deepest N. London in 1.1/2 hours- M40 on the doorstep
Not too bad.
 
The question is now HS2 to Manchester has been scrapped. Will there ever be another big transport infrastructure project in this country? Of course there will, it just won't be in the North of the country. That is what the decision is all about. Sunak he billionaire who's constituency is in Yorkshire doesn't give a flying fuck about anything outside or London .

I see they are now saying HS2 hasn't been scrapped it just won't be HS2 north of Birmingham?? YCNMIU
 
Liverpool / Chester to Cardiff next Sunday looks interesting… North Walians need to go via Shrewsbury which, when I last looked, was in England.

I like to get to Swansea twice a year but the train journey is over five hours.
 
If you read about this happening in another country you wouldn't believe it, we should build for the future and create a world class transport system, as usual its all about London, that leg would be built whatever the cost
 
I wonder who thought it was going to look good to claim for weeks that he was taking his time and considering carefully only to come out with it just in time for conference speech.

Madness.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
The question is now HS2 to Manchester has been scrapped. Will there ever be another big transport infrastructure project in this country? Of course there will, it just won't be in the North of the country. That is what the decision is all about. Sunak he billionaire who's constituency is in Yorkshire doesn't give a flying fuck about anything outside or London .

I see they are now saying HS2 hasn't been scrapped it just won't be HS2 north of Birmingham?? YCNMIU
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Crossrail 2 will be the next major infrastructure project.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
These trains being purchased for HS2 when they get onto the national rail network after Birmingham going up to Manchester. Will they be able to move at the speed that they were designed for or moving significantly slower?
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No chance , they will be held up by the rail lines antiquated infrastructure and all the other local trains that run on the same tracks.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
These trains being purchased for HS2 when they get onto the national rail network after Birmingham going up to Manchester. Will they be able to move at the speed that they were designed for or moving significantly slower?
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A maximum of 250mph south of Lichfield and existing line speed north of there up to a maximum of 110mph.
Unlike the existing Pendolino trains, they won't tilt so can't achieve the current 125mph.
 
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