Rishi Sunak

metalblue said:
Why would they increase taxes to pay for it? It’s a borrowing project (infrastructure).

Some of the defence of Starmer’s position on this is positively laughable. He can’t do it because the tories will sell all the land etc poor old Starmer he’d really love to build it. If Starmer wanted to have the option to continue the project they could table a motion to prevent the project being irrevocably “cancelled” in the house to do so - I’m sure they’d get enough support from sitting Tory MPs to make it pass but even if he didn’t he’d be able to point to trying.

They won’t do it, why? Because Starmer’s Labour doesn’t want it. Nor does Sunak’s tories. Browns Labour did, as did Cameron’s and Johnson tories. It’s not about parties positions, but that of their current leaders.
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Sunak has taken a huge decision for the country without going to the house and debating it but you expect starmer to try and get a motion through the house? You are a die hard tory and it shows, lol
 
bluethrunthru said:
Not entirely sure what people want from Starmer - he just won a by-election where Sunaks Tories lost their deposit plus he has a conference coming up next week which is where more can be said. I'd expect questions about the HS2 fiasco and the prison barge fiasco (wtf is going on there? Is it just being abandoned now?) - if he goes through that triumphantly and Labour goes up in the polls then Sunaks plans for an autumn election are dead in the water. Then Sunak has to endure a winter that will be really bad for voters - food banks are now having to ration baby formula ffs - and go in the Spring because the later he leaves it the bigger the defeat will be.
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Even if Starmer was “the same” as Sunak, the fact he isn’t corrupt makes him a better choice.

It’s all the conservative enablers have got left to fight with.

One bloke won’t vote Tory again and has decided to vote SNP. He’s had his finger on the pulse for years, that lad. Learned from his mistakes and all that.

I’m looking forward to the Labour conference where they’ll just repeat that they’re not as shit as the Tories repeatedly. No need to say anything else, as the by-election has just showed.
 
metalblue said:
Why would they increase taxes to pay for it? It’s a borrowing project (infrastructure).
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The majority of people don't engage with politics at that level at all. The Tories have said we can't afford it, so if Labour say they'll still build it, they'll be asked who pays for it.

The Tories want to create a financial black hole in Labours plans, while gaining political capital from lots of individual projects.

Ultimately it's probably a win-win for Labour. I agree that they'd probably rather not spend money on HS2 when there are other rail projects that will have more impact. The Tories have given them a gift with this - they may as well accept it.
 
metalblue said:
You don’t know how politics works do you?
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How could any Tory MPs justify supporting a Labour motion allowing the possibility of restarting HS2?

Labour's justification would be because they're going to win the next election. What would a Tory argue? That they also want it on hold as Labour are going to win?

It would be seen as a clear vote of no confidence in Sunak, and, while plenty of Tories want him out, they're not stupid enough to let Labour claim another PM.
 
bluenova said:
The majority of people don't engage with politics at that level at all. The Tories have said we can't afford it, so if Labour say they'll still build it, they'll be asked who pays for it.

The Tories want to create a financial black hole in Labours plans, while gaining political capital from lots of individual projects.

Ultimately it's probably a win-win for Labour. I agree that they'd probably rather not spend money on HS2 when there are other rail projects that will have more impact. The Tories have given them a gift with this - they may as well accept it.
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Interesting take. It would be old hunting ground for the tories but not sure I agree it’s a good strategy, tories will be hard pressed to try and campaign on financial prudence - even if some of the current shit show was outside their control. We’ve seen elections post covid throughout the world throwing the incumbent government out (be they left or right). And they don’t have any of the extra seismic stuff we do. May was a disaster. The tories (under Johnson’s) biggest mistake was not delaying Brexit due to COVID and then taking a more pragmatic approach to it. Even if we may not have been any further forward economically - it was the perfect excuse but he was far too keen to be seen keeping his promise of getting it done rather than being strategic.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Jesus.

I make a single comment on Starmer for the first time in weeks, if not months (which appears to have hit a nerve by the way), and all of a sudden he’s living rent free in my head.

Meanwhile you lot spend what appears to be at least 18 hours a day everyday maintaining a constant stream of vitriol against Sunak, using the most disgusting and frankly embarrassing language in the process, and presumably that’s all part of a positive, balanced and above all healthy outlook?

You couldn’t make it up and, in fact, you wouldn’t want to.
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Some fantastic gaslighting in this post.
 
bluenova said:
How could any Tory MPs justify supporting a Labour motion allowing the possibility of restarting HS2?

Labour's justification would be because they're going to win the next election. What would a Tory argue? That they also want it on hold as Labour are going to win?

It would be seen as a clear vote of no confidence in Sunak, and, while plenty of Tories want him out, they're not stupid enough to let Labour claim another PM.
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It’s not restarting - it’s a delay on selling the assets to give an option. It wouldn’t matter to Starmer’s political fortunes how the vote went.

If he really wanted HS2 he’d at least try to save it, he doesn’t.
 
metalblue said:
How can you support a Rachel Reeves’s u-turn by arguing the costs are different now than in 2021 whilst simultaneously not supporting the decision to scrap it?
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I didn’t? I said given both the overspend and Sunaks announcement, Labour can’t commit to anything right now. They were still committing to it after the overspend though.

I wouldn’t support any decision that is rushed through for performative conference reasons and particularly not with such an awful policy doc attached to it that they’re still frantically amending.

What I do expect is by the time of the next GE, Labour to have a clear position included in its manifesto and I’ll judge them on that then. Saying a policy decision right now would just be pointless.

What’s Reeves said? I haven’t seen them u turn anyway.
 
kaz7 said:
labour cant reverse the decision because there will be no money for it , houses and land will be available for those displaced to buy back, lots of on the ground reasons that reversing would not be possible , you are as disingenous as your hero
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Starmer didn’t want HS2 - he never did - so he’s the one being disingenuous I’m afraid.

I would ask that if Labour’s commitment to HS2 prior to Sunak’s decision was so clear and obvious, then why was Andy Burnham scrambling around for confirmation of this in the week prior to the Conservative Party conference? And why wasn’t the Labour Party’s response a public response, to eliminate any doubt?
 
TinFoilHat said:
Some fantastic gaslighting in this post.
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Yes, you’re right actually, it’s just me gaslighting and there’s no proof at all of people’s obsession with abusing Sunak, all the disgusting comments about him, so on and so forth.

No proof other than the hundreds and hundreds of pages of bile on this and other threads, that is, which anyone can go back and read if they feel the urge.
 
I see a lot trying to pitch that ‘they’re all the same’ in the hope to make them feel better but can you tell me if you support Sunak’s deceit filled statement and the recent Tory turn to UKIP?
 
meltonblue said:
From 2021. Given both the overspend and then Sunaks announcement and the policy accompanying it, if Labour came out today and said they’d still implement it in full then that would be madness as they have no idea now what they’re going to inherit. If Sunak does implement exactly what he says he will, he’s in all essence removed the possibility of an alternative next government of having a choice.
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Well, if the Tories think a scrap of line will have all these benefits, every region will want high speed trains.

For the Tories saying how good it is that this will save 30 minutes on the time from London to Manchester, the obvious riposte is to ask how much better to save twice that.
 
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The Future’s Blue! said:
I see a lot trying to pitch that ‘they’re all the same’ in the hope to make them feel better but can you tell me if you support Sunak’s deceit filled statement and the recent Tory turn to UKIP?
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If you can convince yourself there is no difference between the two major parties or their leaders, then you can happily embrace the Tories lurching to the far right.

Although, I think the current round of they are ‘all the same’ is the two extremes of right and left soiling themselves over the increasing likilhood of Starmer and Labour forming a Govt. Neither extreme wants a Govt that will try and govern with all the messy compromises that entails. They both want idealogical warfare.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Yes, you’re right actually, it’s just me gaslighting and there’s no proof at all of people’s obsession with abusing Sunak, all the disgusting comments about him, so on and so forth.

No proof other than the hundreds and hundreds of pages of bile on this and other threads, that is, which anyone can go back and read if they feel the urge.
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Are you suggesting people should be more annoyed with those that aren’t even in power…?
 
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