Middle East Conflict

west didsblue said:
Netanyahu’s appeal to the electorate was based on him being a strong man who would keep Israelis safe. That has completely been blown out of the water. Whether the eventual outcome will be for him to be ousted and a more moderate government replaces his coalition remains to be seen, but that is the only hope for anything positive happening in the medium term. I don’t hold out much hope, mainly because the religious right are the fastest growing group in the country and are likely to keep him or someone even more right wing in power.

In the meantime Israel has no choice other than to try and neutralise Hamas but it’s what follows that will decide whether there will be another hundred years of conflict.
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And like you know it's pissing off a lot of Isalies. but they have a proportional representation system that allows lunatic parties to get in to power

Most of my friends in Israel know this situation was completely avoidable
 
SWP's back said:


I’m the last to don a tin foil hat but there’s something strangely reminiscent of Pearl Harbour about this and the age old question of whether the US knew it was coming but were happy enough for it to take place as pretext to enter a war it wanted to but felt was unable to due to it being hugely unpopular back home.
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It’s been clear for a while that the IDF and security services have been politicised and it’s looking very likely that a combination of distractions related to Netanyahu’s anti-democratic policies and Netanyahu not being averse to it kicking off has contributed to the unpreparedness of the security forces. Fairly sure they didn’t think it would be this big though and he was probably hoping for a relatively low level conflict like the last two or three so he could crack down and look strong.
 
There is another elephant in the room, and that elephant is Russia, they will take full advantage of this, they often operate as the unseen hand, this time useing Iran as a proxy to distract the US, and if the Israelis do go in to trying to starve the Garza strip the instability it will cause in the Arab world will be immense not to mention in the third world wher ethe West is not particularly popular
 
Eds said:
Let's be honest on here, how many people on here will condemn the atrocities committed this weekend by Hamas and how many are supporting them. I don't want to see 'yes but' answers, it's either condemn Hamas or support Hamas.
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Glad to see six hours on from my message above barely anyone has come out and responded. Says it all for me about the mindset of many on here. Utter cunts!
 
SWP's back said:
Genuine question but seeing as they’ve stopped electricity and internet, how are the Palestinian’s supposed to read the warning tweets?
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I saw a few years ago that Israel fire small air bombs near building to warn bigger is on the way so civilians can get out of the way. No idea If this was propaganda or still happens mind you
 
Ducado said:
There is another elephant in the room, and that elephant is Russia, they will take full advantage of this, they often operate as the unseen hand, this time useing Iran as a proxy to distract the US, and if the Israelis do go in to trying to starve the Garza strip the instability it will cause in the Arab world will be immense not to mention in the third world wher ethe West is not particularly popular
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Wouldn’t surprise me if Russia have actually encouraged Iran to get Hamas to instigate this.
 
SWP's back said:
Genuine question but seeing as they’ve stopped electricity and internet, how are the Palestinian’s supposed to read the warning tweets?
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ordinary Gaza strip residents are probably in the dark, literally, but if journalist's can still take pics, live feeds etc, then there is generator power for them and satelitte comms.
For everyone else, it would have to be word of mouth, from those that can.
 
SWP's back said:


I’m the last to don a tin foil hat but there’s something strangely reminiscent of Pearl Harbour about this and the age old question of whether the US knew it was coming but were happy enough for it to take place as pretext to enter a war it wanted to but felt was unable to due to it being hugely unpopular back home.
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Really don’t see that scenario. The US could have warned Netanyahu until they were blue in the face with zero chance of them been heeded, so there is no upside in keeping quiet and then everyone finding out later that the US sat on intel.

More likely is that along with others they passed on warnings and then shrugged as they were ignored. Unless Intel fitted Netanyahu’s fixed views on the world it would be dismissed as a ‘left wing woke plot to undermine him’ or some other bollocks.

There is nothing for the US in a renewed ME conflict.
 
JASR said:
ordinary Gaza strip residents are probably in the dark, literally, but if journalist's can still take pics, live feeds etc, then there is generator power for them and satelitte comms.
For everyone else, it would have to be word of mouth, from those that can.
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I thought the journalists were using expensive satellite comms, I have no idea what residents of Gaza have access to. I presume diesel gennies and the like but not sure they’d be able to pick up internet signals from cell towers.
 
SWP's back said:
Genuine question but seeing as they’ve stopped electricity and internet, how are the Palestinian’s supposed to read the warning tweets?
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I don’t think all electricity can be cut off by the Israelis. There will be quite a lot of emergency generators and enough people will be able to keep their phones charged and maintain an internet connection by other means for word to get around.
 
BobKowalski said:
Really don’t see that scenario. The US could have warned Netanyahu until they were blue in the face with zero chance of them been heeded, so there is no upside in keeping quiet and then everyone finding out later that the US sat on intel.

More likely is that along with others they passed on warnings and then shrugged as they were ignored. Unless Intel fitted Netanyahu’s fixed views on the world it would be dismissed as a ‘left wing woke plot to undermine him’ or some other bollocks.

There is nothing for the US in a renewed ME conflict.
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You’ve got the wrong end of the stick mate.

I’m saying there is a case to be made that the US knew about Pearl Harbour ahead of time (moving their aircraft carriers out of harbour the day before etc etc). I’m not saying the US knew about the Hamas attack but it wouldn’t surprise me if Israeli intelligence knew something and that it suited the cunts in power to be attacked so they could go all out in attacking Hamas in Gaza.
 
SWP's back said:
I thought the journalists were using expensive satellite comms, I have no idea what residents of Gaza have access to. I presume diesel gennies and the like but not sure they’d be able to pick up internet signals from cell towers.
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Some highup people will probably have at least Starlink... it's a case of whether they want to/do disseminate information down to ordinary Gaza residents. People near Israel & Egypt wil have mobile phone access to their mobile phone masts, if in range
 
grunge said:
question, does Iran have a defence pact with Russia at this point?
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No, but it is friendly with Iran and is reliant on them for drones. Equally, Putin and Netanyahu are very chummy and Israel is not overly warm towards Ukraine. My guess is that Putin could do without this and won’t be happy at having to choose sides. Russia is still bogged down in Syria and Africa, is getting bitch slapped by Turkey and no longer has control of the Black Sea. Not to mention some of the republics on Russia’s borders are getting restless.

Putin doesn’t need more problems when he is urgently in need of solutions.
 
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