Middle East Conflict

They can’t
Time wil tell won't it. Just like in Ukraine, innocents suffer whilst soldiers fight to defend their homeland from an aggressor. We all hope for a quick end to this conflict, but I don't see one happening.
 
Oh great. we’re now going to ease racial tensions by labelling every crime involving a religious minority as a hate crime unless proven otherwise.

That’s really going to help.
Surely the cops should follow the evidence. There's now suggestions it was a routine burglary so the cops may well be right.
 
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It's a war of attrition, specifically a siege. Cutting your enemies supply lines to force them into surrender is a tried and tested military tactic. The UK, US and European nations have done it a number of times to win wars.

As I said earlier, this is now a war.
Do you think the world will look on at 2.5 million people being starved to death? It’s not going to happen because it would be a war crime of vast implications and the blowback could ignite the world
 
I'd rather not go down that rabbit hole, as people who don't have first hands knowledge on here seem to think when you mention it, this means you support every action that has ever been taken . I personally don't consider myself to have a side other than experience and understanding of the difficulties Isreal faced way back then ( and obviously still do after today). However, have made mistakes along the way themselves
I understand where you’re coming from.
Being Irish, I’ve always stayed out of this conversation.
1. Through lack of deep understanding and knowledge on the subject
2. Looking at the history of the place, how it came about, and seeing terrible similarities to what happened here over the centuries, but knowing full well what a box of vipers that conversation would open.

Nobody can condone what happened in Israel this week.
But nobody can tell me that this Israeli government are going to solve the problem with an eye for an eye no matter how justifiable, they make it sound.

And saying that is by no means backing Hammas. Let’s be clear on that.

My own view is a general one and as I say, I do not claim to be any sort of expert on these matters. Far from it.

But this goes for both sides.
I don’t believe in any sort of religious state, be it Jewish or Muslim, Catholic or Protestant.
I believe your religion is a personal thing that you should have a right to, but religion and state should be separated.

I’ve made the same argument about the monarchy in the UK being head of the church and the oath of allegiance down through the centuries.

If Ireland is any kind of example, I would hope it would be that, the past mistakes cannot be repeated. The future has to be decided by democracy.

Dialogue is needed not missiles and true leaders are those that can make this happen not right wing fundamentalists.
 
Do you think the world will look on at 2.5 million people being starved to death? It’s not going to happen because it would be a war crime of vast implications and the blowback could ignite the world
At this point I seriously doubt the Israeli Government would care, the same way Hamas didn't care when their "paramilitaries" took the lives of 1000 civilians.
 
I understand where you’re coming from.
Being Irish, I’ve always stayed out of this conversation.
1. Through lack of deep understanding and knowledge on the subject
2. Looking at the history of the place, how it came about, and seeing terrible similarities to what happened here over the centuries, but knowing full well what a box of vipers that conversation would open.

Nobody can condone what happened in Israel this week.
But nobody can tell me that this Israeli government are going to solve the problem with an eye for an eye no matter how justifiable, they make it sound.

And saying that is by no means backing Hammas. Let’s be clear on that.

My own view is a general one and as I say, I do not claim to be any sort of expert on these matters. Far from it.

But this goes for both sides.
I don’t believe in any sort of religious state, be it Jewish or Muslim, Catholic or Protestant.
I believe your religion is a personal thing that you should have a right to, but religion and state should be separated.

I’ve made the same argument about the monarchy in the UK being head of the church and the oath of allegiance down through the centuries.

If Ireland is any kind of example, I would hope it would be that, the past mistakes cannot be repeated. The future has to be decided by democracy.

Dialogue is needed not missiles and true leaders are those that can make this happen not right wing fundamentalists.
A later post I made mentioned that when I visited Belfast it gave me flashbacks , I hear you loud and clear
 
How many wars over the past 2000 years do you seriously wish me to mention?

Hamas surrenders, the bombings stop. How much do Hamas seriously care about the lives of Palestinians in Gaza? You're acting like this is a new thing in warfare. Not all fights begin and end in pillows.
Ah right so we're going back Centuries. I honestly thought you were talking about recent events to which Israel are currently doing.
 
So Turning the water off and the gas and electricity in an entire city full of children and elderly people is basically doing to them what Germany did in the ghetto in Warsaw .
What Germany did in the ghettoes in Poland was go in and shoot everyone to liquidate them. There’s only one thing that sounds familiar to that in the last two days and it’s nothing that Israel have done.
 
It makes the news when it suits tbf but off the back of the 2nd largest terrorist attack in history and a large Jewish community in several parts of the UK facing pockets of very pro Palestinian support, they are worried and rightly so for their safety.

Just down from this restaurant anti semitic graffiti was also daubed on a bridge going off reports.

If you are referring to the graffiti on the bridge in Golders Green stating 'Free Palestine', that is not anti Semetic.

Killing innocent civilians, Palestinian or Israeli, is grotesque and evil.

What Hamas did is evil, as is the Israeli government's threat to turn off water and block food supplies to Palestine. Equally abhorrent. It's disappointing many commentators and politicians state that the attacks in Israel were vile but then they are silent about the threat to innocent Palestinians.

I'd be happy for Hamas leaders and Netanyahu and his acolytes to be put in prison on a remote island.

I genuinely feel sorry for the civilians on both sides of the border.
 
The restaurant wasn't 'smashed up' .... it was open for business within hours. The reason the police are not treating it as a hate crime is because it looks like a straight up burglary ... front door smashed through till nicked.
Obviously given current events it would be foolish to rule it out but note the caveat *as of yet*


Also if the words 'Free Palestine ' are anti-Semitic where the fuck are we going here?
 
See I thought it was 10m or something, that’s why I used the 99% figure, but I couldn’t remember so looked it up before posting and Wikipedia said 50-100m?!

So I just used that. It doesn’t change the overall meaning of the post though.
Pretty sure 10 million was pretty close estimate prior to European arrival.
 
Relocate the Wailing Wall to a Jewish dominated area and the deal on the table 30 years ago could have been signed off. Sorry for not giving a shit about the religious sensitivities with 1,500 people killed in the last two days.
 
Ah right so we're going back Centuries. I honestly thought you were talking about recent events to which Israel are currently doing.
Actually you only have to look as far as the Iraq Wars, Vietnam, a hell of a lot of WW2 sieges to see the same tactic being deployed. As stated before, this is now a war, innocents get caught up in such events.

Israel didn't agree to sign the protocol which is against the cutting off of supplies to civilians. They aren't stopping supplies from coming in via humanitarian aid, they're just not supplying them directly from Israel anymore. Anyone can still send aid to Gaza, and Israel won't stop you.
 

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