Middle East Conflict

goalmole said:
Are you referring to the cutting off of food, water and power of recent days or the blockade of Gaza that has been enforced for the last 17 years or so?
Both of which are illegal.
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I’m talking specifically about the recent blockade.

Before that, $Billions has gone into Gaza yearly in aid. The fact a majority of that has been siphoned away into the accounts of a few or spent on arms is a question for Hamas.
 
The blue phantom said:
I actually mentioned this last week on Sky making shit up. Watched the interview and then Burley completely altered what the Ambassador said. Proper cunts trick.
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Media like this has to create narratives and they have no issue in twisting words to create one that they can then run with.

Its the lifeblood and revenue that keeps it alive sadly.

They do it with everything, bad news sells.
 
blueinsa said:
I’m talking specifically about the recent blockade.

Before that, $Billions has gone into Gaza yearly in aid. The fact a majority of that has been siphoned away into the accounts of a few or spent on arms is a question for Hamas.
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Add to the fact that a huge portion of 'civil building supplies' have been syphoned into intricate tunnel systems with the sole intention of killing Jews !
 
The blue phantom said:
I actually mentioned this last week on Sky making shit up. Watched the interview and then Burley completely altered what the Ambassador said. Proper cunts trick.
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Sky (& the rest of the media) making shit up?

As a City fan, have you been asleep for the last 15 years?
 
Keeper! said:
Al Jazeera are outstanding, always superb reporting of major events, they were during both Gulf Wars.

I also think Channel 4's coverage is top quality.
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I was watching England v Italy when news of the bombing came through so I started checking various news sites for updates on my tablet (with the sound off). Sky, The Guardian and The Telegraph were all just reporting the known facts. Al Jazeera and the BBC were definitely intimating at Israeli blame. I've found the Guardian news reporting to be the most fact based reporting but then you have to avoid their opinion pieces where many ultra biased columnists lurk. That said, the Guardian has printed some pro Israel articles whereas I don't think the Telegraph has printed any pro Palestinian articles.
 
blueinsa said:
Days too late and should never have been needed as the blockade was always wrong on Israel’s part.
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Yes and as aid is regularly brought in this won’t touch the sides of what’s needed.
Appalling actions by the Israeli government and just perpetuates the cycle of violence and pain suffering by both sides.
In times like this we realise how piss poor politicians have become all across the world. No actual leaders amongst them.
 
The blue phantom said:
6 Trucks gone in up to yet.

As someone else has said Normally there's anywhere between 500-1000 Trucks going in daily.
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I’m assuming it will be slow because cast iron guarantees that no arms and munitions are not going in will be needed.

What needs to happen is shipments allowed via ports but again, guarantees it’s aid only will have to be given.
 
The BBC can join Btselem now is not interesting, it is clear that there are rights violations now after the horrors of Oct 7, the tragedy of the people in Gaza was written in advance when no party was willing to help the people
has been brainwashed and children are trained from the age of zero only to hate to murder to kill, peace will return to the area only after the abductees are returned home
 
I would hope that the US and Qatar given their influence here are working on a ceasefire driven by a return of all hostages and a complete cessation of military strikes from Israel and all necessary aid going in immediately.

Get that done and then get round the table and try to sort this mess out.

Palestinians need different representation as does Israel for it to have any sort of chance of working though.
 
Keeper! said:
In every conflict there has to be talks and eventual reconciliation, it's the only solution to peace.

I get the feeling the youth on both sides feel that way, a lot of the hate and bitterness comes from the elders.

In this conflict the Arab world has to do far more, the Saudi's and the UAE in particular, they have the wealth and influence to immeasurably change the future for the Palestinians, maybe divert some of the "sports washing" cash into a far more worthy cause and in doing gain huge worldwide respect and thanks.
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The Arab world largely isn't interested. The politics are impossible because certainly the richest countries like Saudi care very little because any intervention would disrupt their own interests.

The biggest problem is that Hamas are a pawn in the greater political aims within the region. This directly associates Palestinians with the fate of Hamas and the consequence of that is no help will come. The US and others are not going to help whilst they're attacked by allies of Hamas and Israel will always seek to defend itself and buffer against those enemies.

Right now the Palestinians do not need intervention or political jousting, they need aid and a safe passage away from harm.
 
inbetween said:
The Arab world largely isn't interested. The politics are impossible because certainly the richest countries like Saudi care very little because any intervention would disrupt their own interests.

The biggest problem is that Hamas are a pawn in the greater political aims within the region. This directly associates Palestinians with the fate of Hamas and the consequence of that is no help will come. The US and others are not going to help whilst they're attacked by allies of Hamas and Israel will always seek to defend itself and buffer against those enemies.

Right now the Palestinians do not need intervention or political jousting, they need aid and a safe passage away from harm.
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Safe passage away from harm in the case of the Palestinians doesn't mean getting out of the way of harm for a short while until peace returns, it means to go away forever, to be ethnically cleansed, to have your land occupied, settled and then annexed by Israel.
 
blueinsa said:
Media like this has to create narratives and they have no issue in twisting words to create one that they can then run with.

Its the lifeblood and revenue that keeps it alive sadly.

They do it with everything, bad news sells.
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If it’s not ‘News’ though, it’s propaganda, not a narrative.

Why should a news program have to create a narrative to run with.

That goes for all stations, not just Sky. One thing about modern media which I really hate, is disinformation being spread so easily and quickly and people choosing which narrative they listen to and calling it news.

People believe what they want to believe and look for affirmation and justification for their views rather than really questioning the world.
 
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