Middle East Conflict

[mexico1970]

Some people think shooting kids for throwing stones is acceptable or the mass transfer of population, they also believe that Palestinians have to ignore the daily oppression and brutality dish out to them and hold hands singing kumbyya

We have people planting flags and then defending their flags, without looking at the other side of the debate, I mean how can you debate if you can’t see things from the other side, perhaps it’s just me

Most if not all posters on here want the bombing to stop, and they've said it countless times.

That's the flag I have seen posted on here, but it's not enough for some is it?

 

[xgorton]

If 1,400 people, going about their everyday lives, had not been massacred then this thread would not exist.

But the bombing and killing of women and children would still exist.

 

[inchy14]

Haifa yesterday.

The world needs more people like these.

*What a mixed up, messed up fucked up world.


*Copyright The Latham’s.

 

[Gobshiight]

Nothing hits the spot more on peace than terrorist loving and scrapping.

Are posts like this really necessary? All they do is grossly misrepresent an overwhelmingly peaceful protest

Tens of thousands join pro-Palestinian marches and sit-ins across UK

Protesters call for a "ceasefire now" and an end to the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories.

www.bbc.co.uk

29 arrests out of 30,000 protesters in London, including non-violent offences. That's less than 0.1% of the attendees

Just like those posting the tiktoks of Israelis mocking the suffering of Palestinians, by highlighting the dickhead minority you're only making things worse

 

[BlueAnorak]

On the other side of the pond, if the $14billion taxes spend by americans were instead of budgeting armaments and munitions and weapons, were spent on regulating firearms and advancements of technologies on all schools and colleges to optimize better safety and security of school shooting, there will be far few attacks.

Any extra then go for the care of the hundreds and thousands of homeless in Cali and NY.

Good job too, or Ukraine would be under Russian occupation.

 

[inbetween]

They have no need to start a major war that would damage them, that’s not what Iran pays them for, their job is to keep the IDF on the northern border, did you listen to Nasrallas speech? They are there as a threat they know on their own they couldn’t defeat Israel but they could do a lot of damage

Their real role is to act as a forward Iranian force in case Iran is ever attacked either by the US or Israel.

One of the reasons I think this whole war is counterproductive is that it strengthens Iran, especially on the Arab street

Do we want Iran to dominate the Middle East?

Iran is a pariah in the Middle East which only gives off an illusion of dominance. That illusion is no different to the illusion that Russia attempts to give off by posturing as a superpower.

I actually think that this weakens Iran considerably. Iran is just the 40th largest world economy and it has no natural military allies and this will isolate them. Israel meanwhile spends 5x more on defence and has allies such as the US who are willing to park two aircraft carrier groups off the coast to protect them. Even the Saudis are essentially allied to Israel nowadays.

There are a lot of parallels with Russia and Ukraine. If Iran pushes conflict then it's only going to distance and isolate itself in the region because the UAE, Kuwait, Jordan and the Saudis will all pick business with the US over Iranian war mongering. This means that the US posture in the region has never been stronger.

So Hezbollah could push on Israel but the end result is inevitable. Israel is well supported and well funded and it would be fighting against a Jihad army with no aircraft, no tanks, no support and no combat experience. They'll go down alongside ISIS who decided to poke the west and now they basically don't exist.

 

[Gobshiight]

Some people on here are genuinely supporting the organisation holding Gaza hostage

Israel?

You can't mean Hamas, surely. From reading this thread over the last few weeks, I've seen posters in favour of a ceasefire having to repeat their condemnation of Hamas to the point where it's become meaningless

 

[mexico1970]

Israel?

You can't mean Hamas, surely. From reading this thread over the last few weeks, I've seen posters in favour of a ceasefire having to repeat their condemnation of Hamas to the point where it's become meaningless

It's alarming how quickly some have forgotten the murders by Hamas, faded into oblivion.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Makes you wonder if that was a test that might have in some way informed Hezbollah’s decision not to get involved. I suspect Hezbollah have similar missiles which would be much less effective with a proven anti ballistic missile system in place. They already know that Iron Dome will intercept the majority of their shorter range missiles.

Very probably

 

[BlueAnorak]

A minister from the extremist Otzma Yehudit party says one of Israel’s options in the war in Gaza is to drop a nuclear bomb on the Strip.

Asked in an interview with Radio Kol Berama whether an atomic bomb should be dropped on the enclave, Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu says “this is one of the possibilities.”

Eliyahu, of Itamar Ben Gvir’s far-right party, is not part of the security cabinet which is involved in the wartime decision-making, nor does he hold sway over the war cabinet directing the war against the Hamas terror group. Eliyahu also voices his objection during the interview to allowing any humanitarian aid into Gaza, saying “we wouldn’t hand the Nazis humanitarian aid,” and charging that “there is no such thing as uninvolved civilians in Gaza.”

He backs retaking the Strip’s territory and restoring the settlements there. Asked about the fate of the Palestinian population, he says: “They can go to Ireland or deserts, the monsters in Gaza should find a solution by themselves.”

He says the northern Strip has no right to exist, adding that anyone waving a Palestinian or Hamas flag “shouldn’t continue living on the face of the earth.”

And we're would the fallout go?

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Some people think shooting kids for throwing stones is acceptable or the mass transfer of population, they also believe that Palestinians have to ignore the daily oppression and brutality dish out to them and hold hands singing kumbyya

We have people planting flags and then defending their flags, without looking at the other side of the debate, I mean how can you debate if you can’t see things from the other side, perhaps it’s just me

It’s not just you.
You plough a lone furrow in here at times. This place can wear you down.
But you’re not alone on your thinking.

 

[inchy14]

It's alarming how quickly some have forgotten the murders by Hamas, faded into oblivion.

Nobody has forgotten it but we all know that wasn’t the start of it all, we also know that what Israel is doing is massively out of proportion and should be condemned by any sane person.

I truly wonder what some of you expect Israel to actually achieve here and at what cost to the Palestinians.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Makes you wonder if that was a test that might have in some way informed Hezbollah’s decision not to get involved. I suspect Hezbollah have similar missiles which would be much less effective with a proven anti ballistic missile system in place. They already know that Iron Dome will intercept the majority of their shorter range missiles.

How quickly can Israel intercept ballistic missiles? It's one thing intercepting them from 2,000 km away, another from 2-300 I would imagine.

 

[mexico1970]

Nobody has forgotten it but we all know that wasn’t the start of it all, we also know that what Israel is doing is massively out of proportion and should be condemned by any sane person.

I truly wonder what some of you expect Israel to actually achieve here and at what cost to the Palestinians.

Everyone has asked for the bombings to stop, is there a poster on here that has said different?

 

[inchy14]

Everyone has asked for the bombings to stop, is there a poster on here that has said different?

I think there’s a couple who have implied it personally.

 

[Ducado]

Iran is a pariah in the Middle East which only gives off an illusion of dominance. That illusion is no different to the illusion that Russia attempts to give off by posturing as a superpower.

I actually think that this weakens Iran considerably. Iran is just the 40th largest world economy and it has no natural military allies and this will isolate them. Israel meanwhile spends 5x more on defence and has allies such as the US who are willing to park two aircraft carrier groups off the coast to protect them. Even the Saudis are essentially allied to Israel nowadays.

There are a lot of parallels with Russia and Ukraine. If Iran pushes conflict then it's only going to distance and isolate itself in the region because the UAE, Kuwait, Jordan and the Saudis will all pick business with the US over Iranian war mongering. This means that the US posture in the region has never been stronger.

So Hezbollah could push on Israel but the end result is inevitable. Israel is well supported and well funded and it would be fighting against a Jihad army with no aircraft, no tanks, no support and no combat experience. They'll go down alongside ISIS who decided to poke the west and now they basically don't exist.

There are lots of geopolitical factors in the mix, Iran had lots of oil reserves and lots of minerals, China does not, china needs lots of oil, china can pay for it, with cash (they have lots of dollars) or arms and technology, and that’s exactly what’s happening, North Kore the exact same, Iran is my biggest worry in all of this, Russia is also a factor

For all we know Iran is plotting some kind of apocalyptic scenario here and using this as a pretext

 

[mexico1970]

I think there’s a couple who have implied it personally.

They'd be nutters then.

 

[Ducado]

And we're would the fallout go?

It’s quite obvious it was just the rankings of a radical nutcase

 

[Roachy]

Everyone has asked for the bombings to stop, is there a poster on here that has said different?

I concur with this, not seen any encouragement of it tbh. Referring to your earlier post on the Hamas atrocity, I inadvertently came across an excerpt yesterday from a piece on the actual attack. If true, words cannot describe the events and the barbarity that occured. Throw in the hostage situation and the Palestinian people suffering, it's a terrible situation.

 

[dublinblue12]

And we're would the fallout go?

Yeah. Hopefully someone pointed out to him were Gaza actually is