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babyape said:
Shower of absolute useless bastards

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But minister after minister told us how he ‘got all the big calls right’
Just for once, they they should be called to account and explain exactly what they meant.
If it was a defence for a man who was the laziest, most incompetent, most complacent, most ignorant, most dangerous to this country and its people, and the biggest liar and con-man ever seen in politics, then it’s a bit thin.
 
babyape said:
Shower of absolute useless bastards

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This enquiry, will anything come of it? We will see Johnson and the current Pm go before the hearing before Christmas, I imagine it will be bumbling evasiveness from Johnson which will be car crash. Will any of them actually face any criminal proceedings for what they have done?
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
This enquiry, will anything come of it? We will see Johnson and the current Pm go before the hearing before Christmas, I imagine it will be bumbling evasiveness from Johnson which will be car crash. Will any of them actually face any criminal proceedings for what they have done?
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That isn't the point of the enquiry - it's to find out what was poorly done and how can it be improved.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
That isn't the point of the enquiry - it's to find out what was poorly done and how can it be improved.
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If only they had followed the recommendations of the Exercise Cygnus reports which


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Annex B: Exercise Cygnus Report (accessible)

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UK pandemic preparedness

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But they couldn't because they had hollowed out the NHS and there wasn't enough health workers. In addition they (SSCL Ltd) had outsourced the storage and management of PPE and HCID PPE to the subsidiary of an American Postal company which had no experience of the storage, management and maintenance of PPE / HCID PPE . Hence no PPE.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
If only they had followed the recommendations of the Exercise Cygnus reports which


www.gov.uk

Annex B: Exercise Cygnus Report (accessible)

www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

www.gov.uk

UK pandemic preparedness

www.gov.uk www.gov.uk


But they couldn't because they had hollowed out the NHS and there wasn't enough health workers. In addition they (SSCL Ltd) had outsourced the storage and management of PPE and HCID PPE to the subsidiary of an American Postal company which had no experience of the storage, management and maintenance of PPE / HCID PPE . Hence no PPE.
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I think this is close to what will be the outcome - if you have a plan, make sure you're ready to use the plan.
Don't throw it away without having a replacement first.

If the plan wasn't good enough for covid, that's a whole different matter. I don't think most would expect it to be perfect.

I've not heard of SSCL, but there does only seem to be a tiny choice of service providers on a large scale - so things kept going back to e.g. Capita despite appalling failures, and Carillion. I have no idea if that can be improved, or how.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Once completed, it’ll be filed under Lessons learned and never discussed again.
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"You can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink " comes to mind.

It will depend how seriously the intention is to learn from the mistakes / poor decisions made is taken by those in authority in order to benefit in the event of a similar situation arising.

Being prepared/unprepared for a pandemic is clearly an important decision to be made for those in authority.
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
"You can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink " comes to mind.

It will depend how seriously the intention is to learn from the mistakes / poor decisions made is taken by those in authority in order to benefit in the event of a similar situation arising.

Being prepared/unprepared for a pandemic is clearly an important decision to be made for those in authority.
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Absolutely. There should a thorough process that should have been mapped out and adhered to.
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
"You can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink " comes to mind.

It will depend how seriously the intention is to learn from the mistakes / poor decisions made is taken by those in authority in order to benefit in the event of a similar situation arising.

Being prepared/unprepared for a pandemic is clearly an important decision to be made for those in authority.
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Should be easy enough to legislate that a review and update is made every 5 years.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I think this is close to what will be the outcome - if you have a plan, make sure you're ready to use the plan.
Don't throw it away without having a replacement first.

If the plan wasn't good enough for covid, that's a whole different matter. I don't think most would expect it to be perfect.

I've not heard of SSCL, but there does only seem to be a tiny choice of service providers on a large scale - so things kept going back to e.g. Capita despite appalling failures, and Carillion. I have no idea if that can be improved, or how.
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Apologies ..... SCCL nor SSCL ......Managing Director was Matt Hancock .......whilst Shareholders are the NHS .. it's run as a separate company.

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For the last couple of days, I have been reading (factual) books about WWI. What really strikes me is the comparison of politicians then to what we have now. Yes, the old guys had their deficiencies. Asquith was a bit of a procrastinator. Lloyd George turned out to be corrupt - although he had many great qualities. Churchill was a bit wayward. Grey, the Foreign Secretary, had no word of any language but English and hardly ever left this country. Yet, for all their faults, the least of them was twenty times the man of any of the wankers running the government now.

It's like comparing peak Real Madrid with Oswaltwistle Rovers FC.
 
Thought Gove was reputed to be gay....? Hang on I missed the point - a woman found the fish faced waker attractive enough to shag ????

 
I met a bloke tonight who we got chatting to. He happened by chance to move on to his worry of Labour taking over whilst not being able to define a woman.

I suggested that wasn’t a left/right issue, but one of tolerance. He disagreed.

Anyway, we were in a venue where the were Unisex loos, which he thought were a good idea as he could be with his partner.

It was also a GLC concert where he was happy to sing along to Your mother’s got a penis, with gusto.

The world certainly is a melting pot.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I met a bloke tonight who we got chatting to. He happened by chance to move on to his worry of Labour taking over whilst not being able to define a woman.

I suggested that wasn’t a left/right issue, but one of tolerance. He disagreed.

Anyway, we were in a venue where the were Unisex loos, which he thought were a good idea as he could be with his partner.

It was also a GLC concert where he was happy to sing along to Your mother’s got a penis, with gusto.

The world certainly is a melting pot.
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I’m getting old, I have no idea what most of this means lol.


I’m a FOC.
 
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