Suella Braverman - sacked as Home Secretary (p394)

[KS55]

Democracies have their weaknesses, as was recognised as far back as the 18th Century. One weakness is that is relatively easy for demagogues to sway the 'mob'. Once people start playing on your emotions, be wary. The chances are they are trying to con you.

Representative democracy just about works if voters understand their limitations and are prepared to leave complex issues to experts. Unfortunately, those days are gone, as every Jack thinks he knows everything about everything. Here's a clue - you don't. This is nothing to be ashamed of. I have no idea how to perform a heart operation, mend a jet engine or shoe a horse. It doesn't mean you are 'thick' if you don't understand how the EU works, for example. Maybe 1% of the population has a full understanding.

Does this sound elitist? Maybe it is. Is it elitist to say I don't want Dean off the estate drilling my teeth unless he has a qualification as a dentist?

Trumpers have fallen for it as you describe. Some intelligent people have said that they fell for it because, in the flesh, he is very persuasive in a demagogic way.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

You're completely ignoring the arrogance and sneering natuer of remain, if the people who voted leave were that stupid how the hell did he remain camp fail to convince them.

Calling someone a thick racist **** is not and never has been an effective selling technique.

Because people who are scammed have a sense of loyalty to their original perpetrator?

How do you rationally talk someone out of a delusion?

 

[mexico1970]

Most recent politicians have been bullshitters, and their motives have been sinister, not benign.

Agreed.

 

[mexico1970]

Because people who are scammed have a sense of loyalty to their original perpetrator?

How do you rationally talk someone out of a delusion?

By not calling them thick racist cunts?

Stop thinking that people who voted to leave were all delusional mate, if that were true then delusion is more popular than escaping the matrix.

 

[BrianW]

Jingoism is about exaggerated 'patriotism'.

Yes, Labour under Blair did use silly slogans. It helped them get elected. I would argue though that there was at least some substance behind the slogans. Not as much as I would have liked, and some of it in the wrong direction, but substance for all that.

Our politicians have taken lessons from American spin-doctors and that has led to the unmistakable decline in the quality of our democracy.

BTW, it is perfectly possible to have a rational, right-of-centre politics without being populist. The Conservatives managed it for generations. Literally, generations.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

By not calling them thick racist cunts?

Stop thinking that people who voted to leave were all delusional mate, if that were true then delusion is more popular than escaping the matrix.

Escaping the matrix is a popular term for young males on social media nowadays. Andrew Tate takes credit for that.

The power of conmen.

Why else would they do something against their own interests even when better informed?

A wife who stays with her womanising husband, is often deluded that he still loves her.

 

[Mr Fraser]

By not calling them thick racist cunts?

Stop thinking that people who voted to leave were all delusional mate, if that were true then delusion is more popular than escaping the matrix.

Was everyone who voted brexit a racist?
What proportion of racists voted for brexit or remain?

 

[TinFoilHat]

I didn’t know Braverman could make a speech after being sacked we have a strange system.

She can give a speech to parliament. When an ex minister decides they want to it's usually to kick off a leadership contest

 

[mexico1970]

Escaping the matrix is a popular term for young males on social media nowadays. Andrew Tate takes credit for that.

The power of conmen.

Why else would they do something against their own interests even when better informed?

A wife who stays with her womanising husband, is often deluded that he still loves her.

And an Itchyfanny is a Japanese motorbike.

I'm off to wrestle soaped up Eels, a term coined by Che Guevara I believe.

 

[mexico1970]

Was everyone who voted brexit a racist?
What proportion of racists voted for brexit or remain?

Have we got those numbers at hand?

To make this absolutely clear, these people were called stupid and racist BEFORE the vote.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Escaping the matrix is a popular term for young males on social media nowadays. Andrew Tate takes credit for that.

The power of conmen.

Why else would they do something against their own interests even when better informed?

A wife who stays with her womanising husband, is often deluded that he still loves her.

The remain campaign didn’t call anyone thick, racist cunts. The c word isn’t allowed on TV in a political sphere.

The other bloke has a bee in his bonnet as he has been labelled a thick, racist ****, because sometimes if the cap fits, it is uncomfortable.

 

[mexico1970]

You've got to be really stupid to call someone stupid and lose, then continue to do it.

Imagine hunting down a man who is terminally ill and to be told that, and then to carry on creepily stalking him. Takes all sorts I reckon.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

The remain campaign didn’t call anyone thick, racist cunts. The c word isn’t allowed on TV in a political sphere.

The other bloke has a bee in his bonnet as he has been labelled a thick, racist ****, because sometimes if the cap fits, it is uncomfortable.

It's possible that he may have just come across badly and set a bad impression on someone.

Sometimes the cap fits because people haven't got time to have a long circular conversation about simplistic worldviews.

Brown called Gillian Duffy a bigot, and it was not unreasonable to get the impression that she was at the time. But then I don't think she was particularly well prepared or articulate and caught the PM at bad time and in a bad mood.

She was interviewed in 2020 and expressed concern for immigrants losing their jobs during the pandemic, which suggests she wasn't really a bigot after all.

 

[mexico1970]

It's possible that he may have just come across badly and set a bad impression on someone.

Sometimes the cap fits because people haven't got time to have a long circular conversation about simplistic worldviews.

Brown called Gillian Duffy a bigot, and it was not unreasonable to get the impression that she was at the time. But then I don't think she was particularly well prepared or articulate and caught the PM at bad time and in a bad mood.

She was interviewed in 2020 and expressed concern for immigrants losing their jobs during the pandemic, which suggests she wasn't really a bigot after all.

I haven't come across badly, the machinations of a semi literate stalker isn't something that bothers me.

**Not you

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

It's possible that he may have just come across badly and set a bad impression on someone.

Sometimes the cap fits because people haven't got time to have a long circular conversation about simplistic worldviews.

Brown called Gillian Duffy a bigot, and it was not unreasonable to get the impression that she was at the time. But then I don't think she was particularly well prepared or articulate and caught the PM at bad time and in a bad mood.

She was interviewed in 2020 and expressed concern for immigrants losing their jobs during the pandemic, which suggests she wasn't really a bigot after all.

Absolutely and I’ll happily change my opinion, should it ever be shown to be wrong. It hasn’t so far…

 

[KS55]

Because people who are scammed have a sense of loyalty to their original perpetrator?

How do you rationally talk someone out of a delusion?

If you start with the idea that Brexit was a delusion, you will be on the wrong track. Forget the honeyed words of Brexit politicians and analyse the situation. Having worked on a project covering about 8 EU countries for several years, I came to the conclusion that, while I support a united Europe, the EU was not the right model and was positively harmful in many ways.
One example would be Science and Technology where many of the rules were deliberately designed to hold progress back. Complex subject but UK has just cut science project approval times right back by junking the EU rule. Many regs were designed to stop countries other than Germany and France gaining a lead in specific areas and for those 2 countries to gain advance knowledge. See also genetic engineering: Britain now allows plant engineering which was verboten in the EU, where the project can be shown merely to accelerate a natural process.
The short term economic hit does not necessarily outweigh long term benefits in other directions.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I haven't come across badly, the machinations of a semi literate stalker isn't something that bothers me.

**Not you

It sounds like it bothers you immensely.

Could you not just put them on ignore?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

It sounds like it bothers you immensely.

Could you not just put them on ignore?

He has. It doesn’t seem to work.

 

[mexico1970]

It looks it bothers you immensely.

Could you not just put them on ignore

They are on ignore, most of my posts have the clown replying to me, it says show ignored content.

Anyhow, it's enough for me today you thick gammon racist, have a good one.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I’d just like to finish with the little fact that I have only replied once directly to Mexico1970 since he put me on ignore.

He put me on ignore, not the other way around.

Add weird definition of stalking to his rap sheet.