Which is the reason why lots of us who grew up for a bit outside the West often roll our collective eyes when we hear Westerners of all stripes whine :)
Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)
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Makes one wonder if this indiscipline played a role in why it took forever to get to the kibbutz on October 7th :(
Hence my point. They are not stupid. It's not as if white phosphorus is needed as a last resort to win the battle.They've been caught using it dozens of times before.
Israel 'to stop using white phosphorus shells'
Israel says it is to stop using artillery shells containing white phosphorus, which it was criticised for during the 2008-09 Gaza conflict.www.bbc.co.uk
Israel used white phosphorus in Gaza civilian areas
The Israeli army used white phosphorus, a weapon with a highly incendiary effect, in densely populated civilian residential areas of Gaza City, according to indisputable evidence found an Amnesty International fact-finding team which reached the area last Saturday. When white phosphorus lands on...www.amnesty.org
It would serve no useful purpose to use it. Hence why it is almost certainly a false narrative
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My theory, long held but now well cemented, is that the only viable way to a peaceful co-existence is via one state ..... but I didn't realise I had to provide 'solutions'.
Given that you do what does this 'some sort of state' look like? Have you seen a map of the facts on the ground recently?
There is a recurring theme here. The weaker partner must unconditionally reject violence and accept what they are given.
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I really don't like the "logic" where you pre-emptively decide it hasn't happened because you personally think it would be stupid .
The indiscriminate bombing and slaughter of more than 10,000 pretty much defenceless civilians in Gaza, bombing and demands to evacuate hospitals would suggest that it is more than likely they they would be prepared to use white phosphorous. They have already shown that (just like Hamas) they couldn't give a shit about who they kill or how.
From what they have been doing it is only a very small step to using white phosphorous.
The source for this was actually The Mail online. While it is a dubious Rag it is also not exactly a left-wing pro-Hamas source and it was a simple report with photos. Does that means they definitely did do it and I don't need to seek any further sources?
That raises the question of how they were burned.
You’re not a fucking moron, stop pretending to be.
They’ve been caught using it in every single major conflict in Gaza and the West Bank this century, and always admitted it while claiming they’re allowed to because it wasn’t against civilians on purpose.
Dont pretend to think that means it’s unlikely to be true this time.
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"People not in power say things then temper them when they get in power."
Unfortunately Netanyahu was talking about his terrorist mates in the Cabinet, not the terrorists of Hamas.
Hard to imagine that segment on newsnight or itv news.
The idea that a major news station would sit down and do a 5-10 min segment about right wing extremists in the Israeli government…it just wouldn’t happen, it feels like the internal Israeli politics is barely mentioned here.
Ducado
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Look I accept that there had to be some form of retaliation but is this the way to go, the US in the eyes of the world is seen as complicit with this (that hug ) the long term damage it is doing is incalculable, but it’s not just them it’s the whole of the West, we are seen as hypocrites in standing by watching thousands get slaughtered, plus it’s a tactical mistake anyway, the whole Israeli government has become a liability
When this is all over, I would like to see laws passed in both countries that ban openly racist parties, there are parties in coalition with Likud that would be banned in most st countries, if your platform calls for the harming of anyone you should not be allowed near the levers of power
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Oops wrong hospital we meant the one at the other end of the strip ....
inchy14
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Sky news now showing a Palestinian boy shot with his father, sadly the young boy was killed.
No excuse for it, pure and simple, murder.
Utter utter murderous bastards.
No excuse for it, pure and simple, murder.
Utter utter murderous bastards.
goalmole
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It's almost certain they did.
In fact there is survivor testimony to this effect.
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Easy mistake to make.
Or a convenient excuse to bomb that too?
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Israelis fired on their own, with tanks, helicopters etc. You need to watch the scott Ritter videos, ex American marine and expert in WMD
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Have they?
The videos I've seen are either recycled videos from Ukraine or Syria or are aircraft flares used as anti-aircraft missile decoys (which Israel is using a lot). There is nothing conclusive.
of course there could be - just not yet proven.