PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Fordyboy46]

I think the match against the red scouse cunts has got that little bit tastier on the 25th

 

[eastmanc]

Everton's situation has fuck all to do with ours. Everton committed an obvious breach of FFP documented for all to see in their own books and additionally have not offered any defense other than hoping they didn't get slammed for it. Their beef is that the penalty is overly harsh relative to their indiscretion.

We haven't been proven to violate a single rule nor have we admitted to any wrongdoing whatsoever. They can charge us with a million breaches but if none are proven valid what's the point?

These assholes in the media are actually trying to pass off Everton's fucking up as some sort of statement of proof versus City. It's absurd under any form of rational thinking. I know they obviously don't care but they are making themselves look like complete morons...

The two cases are totally different. The Everton one was easy for them, the equivalent of a tap in on the goal line. City's case on the other hand is far more complicated as the burden of prove is on the Premier League. They have already been going at for over 4 years and we still haven't been found guilty of anything.

 

[eastmanc]

I think the match against the red scouse cunts has got that little bit tastier on the 25th

Said the same to my lads last night.

 

[John Wayne]

But if the club are innocent then why accept that? I think this is the final end game now of this either being proven we lied and heads will roll or the premier league being proven as corrupt.

There's also a third possibility - that the independent regulator takes up post before our case gets to an independent commission and upon re-examining our case it is decided that no further action should be taken. What the world of football thickies don't realise when they screech 'what about City????' is that our case is far more complex, allegedly took place over a longer period, and contains accusations so severe that it is impossible to imagine that it could have been concluded before the cut-and-dry case of Everton. The King's Speech made it very clear that the regulator is coming sooner rather than later, and no amount of Jamie Carragher libelling City as procrastinators will expedite the case.

 

[Fordyboy46]

I think the match against the red scouse cunts has got that little bit tastier on the 25th

A good job it has been moved to the early ko, lol

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

There's also a third possibility - that the independent regulator takes up post before our case gets to an independent commission and upon re-examining our case it is decided that no further action should be taken. What the world of football thickies don't realise when they screech 'what about City????' is that our case is far more complex, allegedly took place over a longer period, and contains accusations so severe that it is impossible to imagine that it could have been concluded before the cut-and-dry case of Everton. The King's Speech made it very clear that the regulator is coming sooner rather than later, and no amount of Jamie Carragher libelling City as procrastinators will expedite the case.

He'll be lucky, with that accent!

 

[John Wayne]

If brexit taught us anything its that we should never let people who dont understand rules, regulations and consequences influence decisions just because they shout the loudest

Take your politics to the politics thread.

 

[cheekybids]

If City were relegated or titles taken away. What would be the consequences and would our owners take some form of drastic action? I can not help thinking the consequences, might be a lot more seismic than people imagine.

Snifff..

 

[Centurions]

Here's a way to combat the unrelenting media vitriol.....buy the fuckers up!!

The Telegraph reporting that the Barclay family who controlled it for decades until Lloyds seized control due to unpaid loans have made a bid to take back control by paying the full 1.2 billion owed. That money is coming from a media investment fund called Redbird IMI, of which Sheikh Mansour is a major investor. Hope he insists Ducker and Wallace get the chop :)

Why would he do that? The toilets are still going to need cleaning.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Still believe what I wrote in this thread back in February: no relegation and no title stripping. But point deduction and a transfer ban for a year or so. It won't be a big deal in the grand scheme of things, not as big as our rivals want anyway.

The outcome is not only about merely legal rules and procedures. The wider context matters. Hope I'm being pessimistic, but I think there will be some sanctions and they'll be neither too big nor too small.

So you think City will be found guilty of fraud? That's what the charges relate to? I don't personally as if they had evidence surely they would have substantiated their claims by now. Yet four years later and we've heard nothing more, why would that be. City has denied all allegations and basically said put up or shut up. The silence is deafening. My guess is that the PL are looking for a way out to save face, with City accepting some minor punishment, but City have said no, we're not accepting anything.

 

[Elbow beards]

There's also a third possibility - that the independent regulator takes up post before our case gets to an independent commission and upon re-examining our case it is decided that no further action should be taken. What the world of football thickies don't realise when they screech 'what about City????' is that our case is far more complex, allegedly took place over a longer period, and contains accusations so severe that it is impossible to imagine that it could have been concluded before the cut-and-dry case of Everton. The King's Speech made it very clear that the regulator is coming sooner rather than later, and no amount of Jamie Carragher libelling City as procrastinators will expedite the case.

Can you imagine the fallout if the independent commission adjudged that we had no case to answer, and were scathing in the behaviour of the red shirts to manipulate the Premier League to their own ends?!
Delicious Irony.

 

[alexmcity]

So you think City will be found guilty of fraud? That's what the charges relate to? I don't personally as if they had evidence surely they would have substantiated their claims by now. Yet four years later and we've heard nothing more, why would that be. City has denied all allegations and basically said put up or shut up. The silence is deafening. My guess is that the PL are looking for a way out to save face, with City accepting some minor punishment, but City have said no, we're not accepting anything.

Hope that's true.

 

[johncity]

Said the same to my lads last night.

Let’s be up for this one and at the game the fans hate the scouse twats and the other red scum

 

[SilverFox2]

Historically our business plan has been attacked by uefa and pl by applying new and targeted rules that they felt we must break.
The last straw they felt would be the115 charges as at the time we seemed to be wilting as a team. Instead of dealing a death blow it stimulated us all with the results we all enjoyed.

The pl are now left with a war of their choosing that they need to prove.
Obviously the media believe them so nothing new there and the strategy of a final attack has been counter productive.

I am left wondering how much power the red shirts now want to have within pl, by that I mean will they still control action or will they tell Mr Masters to sort his own mess out.

All conjecture of course but in the meantime let's enjoy City being the best team in football.

 

[malg]

Stolen from the comments section the the Torygraph from an article about Girona:

Why do City have higher revenue?

- They play in the Premier League which has the biggest TV deal.

- They won the Premier League (United and Liverpool didn't and got smaller prize money)

- They have won the EPL 5 times in 6 years so sponsors will pay a premium

- They won the FA Cup thus appearing more times on TV and winning more prize money than anyone else

- They won the Champions League ergo more TV appearances and more prize money

- They have been in 4 semi finals and two finals for the ECL in recent years so sponsors will pay a premium

- The academy network generated over £80m in sales of players

- They have made a profit on transfer activities.

- They have the best manager in the world so sponsors will pay a premium

- They have the best striker in the world so sponsors will pay a premium

- They have one of the greatest midfielders of his generation, so sponsors will pay a premium

- They have dominated English football for a decade (see point one re TV money) so sponsors will pay a premium

When you look at Deloitte's analysis of City's accounts, you see 50% comes from sponsorship. This is pretty average for top clubs. The rest is match day, TV, prize money and transfers. So, as they have got more TV money and more prize money from being successful, it goes hand in hand that sponsorship will increase.

What it seems to me is that journalists will bang on about the 115 charges (some of which were changed after they were levied... the EPL charged City with mowing the pitch in the original charges) with no evidence as to why they were breached. All the press can do is speculate. It feels like they are preparing for a situation, as with the UEFA charges, that City will prove themselves to be innocent but the press will sing "oh but lawyers and loopholes".

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Can you imagine the fallout if the independent commission adjudged that we had no case to answer, and were scathing in the behaviour of the red shirts to manipulate the Premier League to their own ends?!
Delicious Irony.

I have been wondering that too. Could City sue the PL and media outlets for libel, bearing in mind, to the overwhelming majority, City are guilty as is.

 

[Eric Hitchmough]

I have been wondering that too. Could City sue the PL and media outlets for libel, bearing in mind, to the overwhelming majority, City are guilty as is.

Nick Harris is long overdue a good suing.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Compleatley disagree,everyone in media hates us,all big clubs hate us its just pure jealously,and its what comes with domination

It’s just the media and the red shirts. Look on Twitter now and you’ll only see Arsenal, United and Liverpool fans crying for us to be relegated. They know it’s the final chance to get rid of us.

Most neutrals prefer us over them.

 

[Iassel]

Still believe what I wrote in this thread back in February: no relegation and no title stripping. But point deduction and a transfer ban for a year or so. It won't be a big deal in the grand scheme of things, not as big as our rivals want anyway.

This outcome is not really likely, as to reach the standards whereby points deductions are appropriate, they will almost certainly have to land some of the heavier charges, and as those charges in no uncertain terms suggest a highly coordinated and complex long-term fraudulent enterprise you would potentially be looking at some of City’s execs getting their collars felt and a push to disbar SM from ownership of the club…

There are probably only really 3 outcomes on the table:

1. City found guilty of the heaviest charges - catastrophic fallout
2. City found guilty of ‘only’ some light charges such as non-cooperation - likely chunky fine
3. City cleared on all counts.

 

[Metal Biker]

Still believe what I wrote in this thread back in February: no relegation and no title stripping. But point deduction and a transfer ban for a year or so. It won't be a big deal in the grand scheme of things, not as big as our rivals want anyway.

The outcome is not only about merely legal rules and procedures. The wider context matters. Hope I'm being pessimistic, but I think there will be some sanctions and they'll be neither too big nor too small.

Is this some sort of "best case scenario" compromise you've thought of?

Because that effectively is admitting "hey, we must have cheated in some capacity, so let's hope they're lenient with us!" mentality. I don't believe we have done anything wrong at all, aside from the non-compliance, but that's what i'd have expected City to do having been accused of being fraudulent.

Even if we're fined £100,000 and given a 1 point penalty that would be completely unacceptable because that's the PL finding us guilty of something in which we've done nothing wrong. I don't want compromises or hope of a lenient sentence, I want a full aquittal and apology from the PL.