Following on from the post from @acton28.blog detailing the charges, I've tried to summarise them below.
Some of these charges are quite ridiculous, and their inclusion can only be for the effect of making City look bad. They are deliberately and unnecessarily vindictive. Let’s have a look at them in more detail.
9 charges (2009/10 to 2017/18) that “In all matters and transactions relating to the League each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with the utmost good faith.” I can’t think of anything specific we might have done relating to this, so the PL must be saying that by breaking the other rules, we have not acted in good faith to them or other clubs.
Funny that they didn’t charge Liverpool under this rule, when they found out they had hacked in to our scouting databases in 2013. The PL said in response to their decision not to take action against Liverpool, “This is due to a number of factors including the age of the alleged concerns and the settlement agreed by the two clubs involved.” So, the age of the alleged concerns applies in one case but not the other?
Also, nine Premier League clubs (Arsenal, Burnley, Chelsea, Leicester, Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle, Spurs and Wolves) wrote to CAS asking them not to lift Manchester City's European ban. This seems to me very much like acting in bad faith towards another PL club, and a breach of the same rule. But none of them were charged.
40 charges under different rules in each season from 2009/10 to 2017/18, but essentially are:
- Company accounts to be registered with Companies House and the PL by 1 March.
- Submission of interim accounts to the League, if annual accounts end before 30 November in current season.
- UEFA applicant clubs to provide to Premier League upon request, future financial information including P&L and cash flow.
- Requirement to notify PL of changes in circumstances that might affect finances.
1 charge in 2009/10 relating to ticket sales to visiting clubs. Quite what they suspect us of doing, and why it has taken so long to come to light, and why it doesn’t fall within the Liverpool “age of the alleged concerns” precedent, I can only speculate on. My guess is it’s a witch hunt. I wonder how many other clubs have been investigated for ticketing irregularities back in 2009.
8 charges between 2009/10 and 2012/13 relating to manager remuneration - the Mancini contract allegations?
12 charges between 2010/11 and 2015/16 relating to player remuneration. Could this be the image rights issue?
5 charges of failing to comply with UEFA regulations, in the years from 2013/14 to 2017/18. In failing UEFA FFP, United broke this same rule recently, but they haven’t been charged by the PL yet.
25 cases of failing Profitability and Sustainability rules, from 2015/16 to 2017/18. I would say from a layman’s POV, this is really one rule, split out into nine separate clauses (eight in two of the years). But rather than saying we have allegedly broken Profitability and Sustainability rules in three seasons, it looks better for them to count it as 25. (Acting in good faith towards a member club?)
30 accusations amounting to failure to cooperate in respect of seasons 2018/19 to 2022/23, citing six rules in each season.
I’ve checked my figures over a few times using https://www.premierleague.com/news/3045970 as a reference. It looks a lot like 130 charges to me, so I suppose the PL have generously rounded it down, or they can’t count.
I had one in the pub last night giving it how can City earn all that money. Shot the fucker down when I educated that being the most successful club in the last ten years earns prize money and sponsorship. Then having an academy where we can sell on the likes of Palmer, Sancho, Lavia, Trafford etc to generate a solid income stream and that our Etihad deal is market value when Arsenal get £17 million a year less from Emirates than what City do from Etihad. They haven’t won a league for nearly 20 years and don’t consistently qualify for the champions league.Exactly. Whatever the outcome it will never be enough for some fans
Get found not guilty =well their still cheats
Relegated to Championship= well it should be to League 2
Relegated to League 2= well they should start again in Ryman League division 12
£10m fine=well they can afford it
30 point deduction= well it should have been 60
These ‘fans’ I might add are the ones who have never been to a game in their life and couldn’t even point to Liverpool Salford or London on a map.
The one who voted against was the uefa lawyer, he obviously wants to be called back in future.A lot of people really confident we will be fine and use CAS outcome to back up case. But even then it wasn’t a unanimous verdict I believe we only won 2-1, so who is to say this won’t be the same. I wish I had as much faith as everyone else in this so called independent process. For 1 I don’t trust it to be independent.
Why haven't we and Chelsea and others written the the FA to to insist on rules being brought in about asset stripping owners saddling their clubs with huge debts?
They seem very amenable to doing the bidding of others.
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At least the tourists will disappear AND no VAR either.....My favorite thing about hearsay in times like this is you never hear them saying “I met this bloke while having a piss in wetherspoons and he said that city will be fully acquitted!”. It’s weird that it always seems to be they’ve heard exactly what they want to hear! Mad that.
Anyway bring them on the cunts, even if they relegate us to Sunday league i’ll still support city, Till the day I die
We ain't getting any outcome for at least two years! Every time though some team breaks ffp we will be the ones who be at the top of all the media outlets and back pages!
Yeah, beat Everton in the finalHave we won yet another trophy the "Whataboutery Shield" ?
You need some full stops in your postings!City refused the requests as they deemed the information company confidential and didn’t want it getting into the hands of rivals int rhsmae business They went to the High Court for an injunction which was refused at the time none of this was in the public realm however the judge decided the decision should be made public which City supported by the PL appealed however the appeal was dismissed City then cooperated and send the information I’m guessing but I’m sure they have absolutely bombared the PL with 1000s of documents
If it were an 'independent commission' that has decided to dock Everton 10points for their transgressions (which appears excessive and unfair on the face of it). What gives us confidence that we will be treated fairly by a similar process? Is it as simple as Everton were obviously and factually guilty of breaches whilst the burden of proof in our favour makes it very difficult for the commission to find us guilty?
Have to say that the Everton ruling has made me less confident that this will be a fair process.
It's not lost on me that after UEFA stiffed is in 2013, within 12 months the heads of UEFA & FIFA were arrested for corruption.Whatever happens we will be seen as cheats as that’s the comfort blanket rags and dippers have to hide why their clubs aren’t run as well as ours. The dirty tricks they have played to try and destroy the club should be met with dirty tricks back. If it means Mansour telling the foreign secretary they won’t get £10 billion investment into the U.K. if this isn’t put to bed, then so be it.
I stand corrected ;)Trafford not Salford
The everton ruling couldnt have less to do with our case and i dont know how many times it has been said on here or the fact that the red media are trying to link the case.If it were an 'independent commission' that has decided to dock Everton 10points for their transgressions (which appears excessive and unfair on the face of it). What gives us confidence that we will be treated fairly by a similar process? Is it as simple as Everton were obviously and factually guilty of breaches whilst the burden of proof in our favour makes it very difficult for the commission to find us guilty?
Have to say that the Everton ruling has made me less confident that this will be a fair process.
excellent postThe everton ruling couldnt have less to do with our case and i dont know how many times it has been said on here or the fact that the red media are trying to link the case.
Everton failed ffp, it wasnt a question, the numbers were there and they openly admitted that to be the case, there was mitigating circumstances but the numbers are the numbers and that's why they got done.
What we are being accused of is fraudulent accounting, the numbers arent there and the pl have to produce solid evidence that this was the case, as of yet all they have done is produce speculative and spurious evidence which combined with the frothing red media and its appeal to idiot fans has built it into something that it clearly isnt. If they had compelling evidence to suggest fraudulent accounting this would be a criminal not a civil case and the fact that they have yet to produce anything of the sort will tell you that this is nothing more than a fishing expedition designed by the pl to suggest they can keep their own house in order so the independent regulators dont take their toys away because when and if that happens their will be alot of people with alot of skeletons absolutely terrified.