That’ll never work….they forgot to mention City : )Everton's 10-point deduction by the Premier League has been taken to Parliament after a Liverpool MP called the punishment "grossly unfair".
Ian Byrne, Labour MP for West Derby, has tabled an early day motion (EDM) in the House of Commons which will be laid on Tuesday for other MPs to consider.
In the motion, Byrne requested the "suspension of all proceedings and sanctions made by the Commission until the regulator makes its own determination".
He added: "This House condemns the grossly unjust points deduction imposed on Everton Football Club by a Premier League commission.
"A punishment lacking any legal or equitable foundation or justification for the level of sanction and notes that financial, not sporting penalties, for far more severe breaches have been applied.
"[The motion] declares that sporting sanctions unfairly punish supporters and notices the improper dismissal of extraordinary mitigating circumstances outlined by Everton."
Earlier on Monday, mayor of Liverpool Steve Rotheram wrote to Premier League chief executive Richard Masters regarding the "wholly disproportionate" and "unprecedented" points deduction.
Everton points deduction taken to Parliament by MP Ian Byrne with early day motion
Everton's 10-point deduction by the Premier League will be taken to Parliament after Liverpool MP Ian Byrne calls the punishment "grossly unfair".www.bbc.co.uk
PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules
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jaseisblue
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On and off the pitch were well ahead of the cartel clubs and the gap continues to grow.
They are sleep walking to nowhere (particularly the rags) and not seeing what's coming up behind them.
Out of the top 20 richest clubs in Europe,11 are English.
They won what they won in the nineties because they were the flag bearers for the premier League, received global tv exposure.
The only competition they had was a couple of seasons from Blackburn and a bit more later on when Venger turned up at Arsenal.
THIS IS NOT THE NINETIES ANYMORE.
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It's a new day, so a new question. Sorry for this, but trying to get things straight in my mind. The law frequently makes no sense to me.
Wouldn't it be usual for a case that has both civil and criminal components to be tried first in the criminal courts to determine the criminal act, before for the civil action is heard?
If not, surely it would be very strange that a civil court imposes damages on a defendant for what it considers to be a criminal act, only for the criminal courts to determine there was no criminality in the first place? Especially when the damages imposed could be effectively existential towards the defendant?
Two questions, sorry.
Newcastle fan here...
The moment Dan Ashworth spoke on Newcastle loaning players from Saudia - PIF loaning to PIF - the Premier League hold a meeting.
I feel that as soon as we (Newcastle/Saudi) pose a threat, or make a move - for example loaning Ruben Neves - the PL (Americans:Arsenal,ManU,Liverpool) get shit scared.
Ruben Neves to Newcastle is classic media transfer 2+2 - however it would be passible legally.
The moment Dan Ashworth spoke on Newcastle loaning players from Saudia - PIF loaning to PIF - the Premier League hold a meeting.
I feel that as soon as we (Newcastle/Saudi) pose a threat, or make a move - for example loaning Ruben Neves - the PL (Americans:Arsenal,ManU,Liverpool) get shit scared.
Ruben Neves to Newcastle is classic media transfer 2+2 - however it would be passible legally.
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No because the standard of proof is different- and so just because it’s been met in a civil setting doesn’t mean it would be in a criminal one.
It’s actually quite common for people who haven’t been prosecuted to be subject to civil damages arising out of the same facts.
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After two long winded attempts to answer I found this explanation which sums it up far more succinctly than my attempts
Edit - just noticed it’s an American piece but the mechanics are the same.
Can a Case Be Both Criminal and Civil? | Adam S. Kutner, Injury Attorneys
Our experienced Las Vegas injury lawyers explain how a case could be both criminal and civil. Here's what to know about criminal and civil cases in Nevada.
www.askadamskutner.com
The M/cr Evening News just set me on the edge of a heart attack with its headline "City to be stripped of Premier League titles?" I missed the question mark and read on to find the article say that this is in fact "unlikely." But bastards, tossers and rag-lovers (who continue to this day to defy the alphabet by putting "Man u****d" before "Man City" in their headings), it made me drop my McVities in my tea and my yell of anguish woke the missus, here at gone midnight in the usa.
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One thing apparent about all of this is with the likes of Uefa and the Premier League clamouring to have financial fair play implemented in their competitions and for who’s vested interest it was introduced for. They have now probably put the road map in place for the death of top level English football and European club football in its current form and under their stewardship.
If they don’t turn City into the sacrificial lamb United, Liverpool etc will be off to form a super league with both those clubs as the major stake holders. They bounce the likes of City and Chelsea down to division four and allow clubs to come for Everton for legal action they have opened up a Pandora’s box of a never ending spiral of blame and claim that will end up with clubs going under and destroying English football. The premier leagues product will be dead either way, all to protect two clubs who believe they should be sat on top of the English game forever and shouldn’t face any challenge to stay there.
If they don’t turn City into the sacrificial lamb United, Liverpool etc will be off to form a super league with both those clubs as the major stake holders. They bounce the likes of City and Chelsea down to division four and allow clubs to come for Everton for legal action they have opened up a Pandora’s box of a never ending spiral of blame and claim that will end up with clubs going under and destroying English football. The premier leagues product will be dead either way, all to protect two clubs who believe they should be sat on top of the English game forever and shouldn’t face any challenge to stay there.
This is the tool who wrote it…
GEORGE SMITH
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George is a Senior Football Writer for the Manchester Evening News, mostly covering Manchester United. He previously worked for football.london before joining the MEN team in July 2021. As well as covering United, George is a Championship-enthusiast and co-hosts The Championship Chat Podcast (@Champchatpod24), which you can find on all major podcast platforms.
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After two long winded attempts to answer I found this explanation which sums it up far more succinctly than my attempts
Edit - just noticed it’s an American piece but the mechanics are the same.
Can a Case Be Both Criminal and Civil? | Adam S. Kutner, Injury Attorneys
Our experienced Las Vegas injury lawyers explain how a case could be both criminal and civil. Here's what to know about criminal and civil cases in Nevada.
Don't want to bother @gordondaviesmoustache again, the poor bastard has wasted enough time on me, so it's your turn. Surely the rationale behind the burden of proof being lower for a civil case is that the sanctions are less severe. In City's case, I would have thought that the football world would consider locking up the directors of a club for committing fraud would be a more fitting punishment than punishing the club itself, its fans and its community with a sporting sanction that effectively puts them in the wilderness for, say, ten years? Way to look after a community asset.
And that, I think, is where the IR may come in.
I find the law so confusing sometimes, when it comes to conclusions that seem counter-intuitive.
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The fact they got the charges wrong makes you realise they didn’t get a solicitor to have a look at it….
“This one about the fa cup…. Are you sure they didn’t play?”
You are suggesting shades of grey here and that wont be the case.
Given that our evidence is apparently irrefutable, then it is impossible that 2 out of 3 independent minds can come to a 'balance of probability' that we are guilty, as they would have to give written reasons for their judgement. Just saying 2 of us think City are probably guilty because, irrespective of irrefutable evidence, we think there is no smoke without fire. That simply won't cut it and be thrown out by any appeal.
In short, if we are innocent, we will be proved innocent.
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The PL undoubtedly rushed out the charges and made a balls of it but there is no way they hadn't had a top class legal team looking at the case for years to establish if they could make charges stick.
Look at what the cost will be to the PL from the charges onwards. As well as paying a world class legal team to represent them (one that won't be inferior to ours) they are paying the huge cost of the panel and all the support staff for as long as it takes (many years maybe). The PL will be outspending the club in this process so cost isn't an issue. The PL has lots of money so if it cost say 250 mill from start to finish they won't bat an eyelid. All I've been trying to point out in my last few posts is that in my view these aren't just a back of a fag packet charges that we can swat away whilst Pannick et al are laughing their bollocks off. Even one substantive charge landed would be catastrophic for the club. Breezy over-confidence is fine for a forum but I'm sure that the club is well aware of what's at stake here.
Both have, we were punished in 2014. They did it without rules being changed within a reporting period though.
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Up the fucking Blues. Come what may I love ’em to bits.
I loved City when Lee Bradbury missed sitters at Maine Road every bit as much as I loved City when Sergio made history. And everything in between.
So they can write what they want and send us where they want. We’re Manchester fucking City and we’re the bollocks.
I loved City when Lee Bradbury missed sitters at Maine Road every bit as much as I loved City when Sergio made history. And everything in between.
So they can write what they want and send us where they want. We’re Manchester fucking City and we’re the bollocks.
Absolutely this. If it wasn't for this thread, I wouldn't be aware of what Harris and the likes are saying during their obsessive Twitter rants. And as his latest posts show, he's doing it for a bite and when he gets it playing the victim off it.
The man clearly isn't well. But we should leave him in the playground of the unwell with his pals, rather than giving him and his "friend" reason to venture over here.