PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[LeonardoDaVnci]

I mentioned CAS earlier but of course it was the Barry Bennell case.

Harris put himself forward as a ‘Football Finance Expert’ when providing evidence but the Judge ruled that he absolutely wasn't an "expert".

Someone please correct me if that's wrong.

The following is verbatim from the court ruling, in plain language its an absolute evisceration by the Judge of a charlatan attempting to present himself as an "expert witness".

"The vast majority of Mr Harris’s statement is also factual, simply identifying and summarizing the surveys which provide some information about footballers’ salaries. It makes some observations about the surveys, but most of these observations are ones which do not require specialist expertise. Rather, they are apparent on the face of the documents themselves. If and in so far as the statement sometimes strays into inappropriate expert comment, the judge will disregard such comment"

Ref: https://www.outertemple.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/TVZ-and-others-v-MCFC.pdf


What in the name of God were the Lawyers thinking of in calling the cretin to give testimony ?.

 

[I'm Blue]

Manchester United fined €300,000 by Uefa for financial fair play breaches

Manchester United have been fined €300,000 (£257,000) by Uefa for financial fair play breaches over a four-year period between 2019 and 2022

www.theguardian.com

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Everton deducted 10 points by Premier League and face compensation bill

Everton have been docked 10 Premier League points, dropping them to second bottom, and could now have to pay compensation to Leeds, Leicester, Burnley and Southampton

www.theguardian.com

Anybody spot the difference?

Blue and red.
What do I win? : )

 

[Paladin]

Manchester United fined €300,000 by Uefa for financial fair play breaches

Manchester United have been fined €300,000 (£257,000) by Uefa for financial fair play breaches over a four-year period between 2019 and 2022

www.theguardian.com

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Everton deducted 10 points by Premier League and face compensation bill

Everton have been docked 10 Premier League points, dropping them to second bottom, and could now have to pay compensation to Leeds, Leicester, Burnley and Southampton

www.theguardian.com

Anybody spot the difference?

Yeah. Liverpool and United came under UEFA rulings, Everton came under PL rulings.

 

[eastmanc]

He wrote a document in the Barry Bennell case that he had to change to be factual rather than his professional opinion. As his opinion isn't considered expert.

He really hates us.

 

[Coatigan]

but about 8 of the charges are for not complying with UEFA FFP rules. So by that definition alone United, Liverpool, Leicester, Everton and anyone else who couldn't pass UEFA FFP should be charged as well

As I read them, they were about providing Uefa accurate information, rather than passing their ffp.

 

[Dannyblue52]

Manchester United fined €300,000 by Uefa for financial fair play breaches

Manchester United have been fined €300,000 (£257,000) by Uefa for financial fair play breaches over a four-year period between 2019 and 2022

www.theguardian.com

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Everton deducted 10 points by Premier League and face compensation bill

Everton have been docked 10 Premier League points, dropping them to second bottom, and could now have to pay compensation to Leeds, Leicester, Burnley and Southampton

www.theguardian.com

Anybody spot the difference?

Absolutely stinks! Premier league need to enforce their own rules now and fine the scrum at least that amount.

 

[I'm Blue]

Yeah. Liverpool and United came under UEFA rulings, Everton came under PL rulings.

But uniteds should also come under the premier league.

 

[supercity88]

The following is verbatim from the court ruling, in plain language its an absolute evisceration by the Judge of a charlatan attempting to present himself as an "expert witness".

The vast majority of Mr Harris’s statement is also factual, simply identifying and summarizing the surveys which provide some information about footballers’ salaries. It makes some observations about the surveys, but most of these observations are ones which do not require specialist expertise. Rather, they are apparent on the face of the documents themselves. If and in so far as the statement sometimes strays into inappropriate expert comment, the judge will disregard such comment"

Ref: https://www.outertemple.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/TVZ-and-others-v-MCFC.pdf


What in the name of God were the Lawyers thinking of in calling the cretin to give testimony ?.

That's not true I'm afraid.

Harris is a ****, but you've missed why the judge was commenting on Harris' expertise.

City were claiming he was an expert and that the claimants hadn't obtained the Court's leave - which is a matter of protocol and ensures City could get their own expert testimony to challenge that position. However, what the judge is saying is that he doesn't think what Harris had reported as being "expertise" so didn't particularly see an issue with it - although was happy to leave it to the ruling judge in court to determine.

Harris is a **** though.

 

[eastmanc]

Yeah. Liverpool and United came under UEFA rulings, Everton came under PL rulings.

I really don't understand why, with united's losses, they have not been deducted points like Everton. After all they are still a Premier league club and their losses are far greater than Everton's. It doesn't seem right at all.

 

[JewelZee]

Eevry time I hear this phrase "go nuclear" I am reminded of a meeting I went to with my partner about 20 years ago. We were in a serious legal dispute with some guys who were trying to take control of the shares of our company. We were in this meeting with a solicitor at Eversheds, a serious big hitter, and were talking about something like if they decided to withdraw cash without our consent or similar.

Anyway my partner confidently stated "If they do that we'll throw the book at them" and this solictor just casually but pointedly asked "What book?". She had no response.

I think this "go nuclear" phrase is the same: baseless bluster. There is no "nuclear".

With all due respect was your partner prepared to go back on TEN BILLION POUNDS of investment if you were fucked over? Did she even have the capacity to even approach anything like that? Just asking, not trying to be a wise guy, but let's remember what's at stake here and who the PL are dealing with...I can't believe the naivete I'm seeing on this thread, including from all the legal experts. This isn't some random, bullshit case. Do people understand who SM and his family are? Can we please take our heads out of the books and look at this from a real world scenario? It's a shitshow designed to discredit us and take some of the joy from our great success. I say to all those a holes out there "good luck with that and we'll see you all again at the winner's podiums again in the Spring"...CADED

 

[Bez]

I really don't understand why, with united's losses, they have not been deducted points like Everton. After all they are still a Premier league club and their losses are far greater than Everton's. It doesn't seem right at all.

The Pl allowed for some Covid related adjustments in 2022 which meant that Utd met the PL ffp requirements. Lucky that isn't it. Utd can always rely on a helping hand from the PL.

 

[johnnytapia]

Initial reports from overly giddy journalists when the charges were announced was that the Premier League rules state there is no time bar.

I believe premier league rules do mention something about following English law to some extent.

More up-to-date thinking is that the independent commission will comply with English law's 6 year time bar.

Otherwise as you say, it could get ridiculous.

George Potter has asked the PL to look into the unduly lenient ban Dennis Tueart got for breaking George’s jaw.

 

[Phoenix900000]

I really don't understand why, with united's losses, they have not been deducted points like Everton. After all they are still a Premier league club and their losses are far greater than Everton's. It doesn't seem right at all.

Easy it's cause they are Untied

 

[Ducado]

You're correct that nothing has seemingly changed in our situation, but the Everton points deduction has opened it up again. However it's the media harping on about and comparing the Everton situation to ours.

With my conspiracy hat on, I have always suspected that a big part of this was repetitional damage, but then agiaim it’s a bloody expensive way to go about it, it must be costing the PL millions in legal fees, I thought the league itself wasn’t particularly wealthy but who knows

 

[johnnytapia]

Can you be time-barred for murder? (Asking for a friend - who’s now dead).

 

[Ken92]

Haven´t read the news lately about our case and not really familiar with citys charges.Whats the percentage that we get hit by points deduction or something even worse?

 

[Bald fraud]

I can not understand why there is not more press on Chelsea as their predicament could be really difficult.

Firstly been pointed out that FFP could result in Everton going into administration.

If Chelsea were relegated how would their model hold up and could they face a similar issue? Profit and turnover potentially weak in comparison to wage costs as no likelihood of Champions League yet. If relegated, these figures worsen dramatically. Also unlikely to be able to sell many players on these long contracts, unless they have relegation clauses. Could that mean administration for them also?

If City were hit with draconian punishment, they do so from an excellent financial position which would buffer the affects.

FFP potentially causing the potential financial ruin of clubs. Nothing more than a power grab from the cartel.

They’ve been stockpiling players for fun recently. Have they been tipped a wink a big transfer ban is coming?

 

[Mcfc1.9.8.0]

Haven´t read the news lately about our case and not really familiar with citys charges.Whats the percentage that we get hit by points deduction or something even worse?

If you haven’t read it lately it’s exactly the same news from the last time you read it

 

[Asa's left peg]

Christ, it's relentless, isn't it!
A poll in the express (not seen it) reckons because of the charges we should be kicked out of the league - no mention of guilt or judgement obviously.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Eevry time I hear this phrase "go nuclear" I am reminded of a meeting I went to with my partner about 20 years ago. We were in a serious legal dispute with some guys who were trying to take control of the shares of our company. We were in this meeting with a solicitor at Eversheds, a serious big hitter, and were talking about something like if they decided to withdraw cash without our consent or similar.

Anyway my partner confidently stated "If they do that we'll throw the book at them" and this solictor just casually but pointedly asked "What book?". She had no response.

I think this "go nuclear" phrase is the same: baseless bluster. There is no "nuclear".

I'm with you. It's cobblers. And if we did have a 'nuclear' button, we'd have surely pressed it long ago in respect of this particular limping dog of a process....