PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Invisible Man's Bandage said:
Can you give an example of an organisation getting billions for reputational damage?

Although admittedly no legal expert, unlike most on here, I'd imagine an organisation would have to prove some quantifiable loss to gain any compensation. Other than a few ruffled feathers I can't imagine Etihad or others could actually present a viable case.
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Several companies combined would amount to billions , not sure accusing your a company of being liars , fraudulent , dishonesty etc etc is among the ruffled feathers category, unless your a turkey voting for Xmas, like Everton did when they voted in favour of FFP
 
Gordyola said:
He also is part owner of a club that has had a massive owner investment, so he would be seen to be a massive hypocrite I guess he actually understands more than the average football pundit due to his Salford City involvement and his property empire
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We all know his game,suggesting PL are bullies in picking on poor Everton, he even includes Stretford in the name checking along with us in suggesting they wouldn't touch the Big 6 when in reality he's hoping it stirs the corrupt league to get tough with us and Chelski.
 
artfuldodger said:
Just read it. A brilliant article, but extremely depressing. Why are other journalists so blind? He sounds like he’s genuinely mourning the loss of professional football as we know it.
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We know why the others are blind!! Click bait and bias towards there clubs they support
 
We are a major problem. To the fa's love affair with the rags and the dippers we will be removed one way or another.
Unfortunately I can't see anything other than relegation.
Not that I'd care no var or tourists
 
Paladin said:
I think you are overreacting a tad here. We are in effect members of a private club - the PL - and we have to abide by their rules when we agree to be members. We can't go taking them to court because we don't agree with their rules. To change the rules, we would need to get a majority of fellow member clubs to agree with us and then propose a rule change.

We are at the stage of having been charged, and a commission has been appointed to look at the evidence. The next step could be years away, so there is no point worrying about it now.
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I think your missing the point many legal and accounting experts on here have said several times that the accusations are in affect criminal though the Premier League have not explicitly stated as such I also haven’t seen any denials. This goes well beyond breaking the rules of the club. What’s more to prove breaking the rules they would probably need access to information they do not have from the other end I.e Etihad or to reinterpret the law around what is correct account practice e.g fair value and related party
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Not sure if he’s the King, but if he’s a KC there’s a decent chance he’s a ****!
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i bow to your greater knowledge regarding the legal profession, but one statement that sticks in my memory was a line form the film Philadelphia , "What do you call a 100 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean" the reply being a "A good start"
Nothing personal just not a fan of the legal profession , ive got the invoices to back it up as well.
 
jimmygrimblesboots said:
i bow to your greater knowledge regarding the legal profession, but one statement that sticks in my memory was a line form the film Philadelphia , "What do you call a 100 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean" the reply being a "A good start"
Nothing personal just not a fan of the legal profession , ive got the invoices to back it up as well.
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Yes, it’s got more than it’s fair share of cunts. Can’t argue with that mate.
 
What is being missed by many is that the charges are financial, that is who paid what to whom and for what. Now we're not talking about the odd bundle of notes that fit into a back pocket. We're talking of millions or even billions that are supposed to have been doing the rounds in which case everything will have been audited at the highest level and not by some two-bob accountant off Albert Square.

Surely these transactions would be above board, detailed and accurate with both donor and recipient named? Surely the CFG would not be so stupid as to pay out huge sums to unnamed recipients and with unsigned cheques or likewise with unquestionable bank transfers.

If that were to happen then it would be far worse than just the EPL doing the investigations.

For that I cannot see where the CFG could possibly go wrong as everything would already be in the open.

That's my take on it anyway.
 
Paladin said:
I think you are overreacting a tad here. We are in effect members of a private club - the PL - and we have to abide by their rules when we agree to be members. We can't go taking them to court because we don't agree with their rules. To change the rules, we would need to get a majority of fellow member clubs to agree with us and then propose a rule change.

We are at the stage of having been charged, and a commission has been appointed to look at the evidence. The next step could be years away, so there is no point worrying about it now.
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I get your point, yes it's a members club but surely they cant find you guilty of fraud, a criminal offence.

The people and companies the pl are saying have fiddling the books if found guilty are big players on the world stage. I don't think they would sit back and allow the pl American owners to get away with it.
 
jimmygrimblesboots said:
i admire your blind faith , i have had dealings with many "independent" bodies , Financial Ombudsman and others and they are as bent as a nine pound note who only serve their paymasters.
I have absolutely no faith that we will be judged fairly i coudldnt give a shite how many letters Murray Rosen and his two assocaites have after their names. Their is a Gooner amongst them and we do not know which club the other two are affiliated to , but there is a high precentage rate that says one of the other two will be a Rag or a Dipper.
You could claim paranoia on my part , which is hardly surprising the way our football has been ridiculed for a decade or more.
Independent commision my arse , there is no such thing.
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City would be wise to bury this case until a regulator can be introduced.

3 people judging the future of a club? Nah

No bias? Nah

It is a commission payed for by the Premier! Nah

It’s all a lot of crap anyway.

Don’t give them the chance to fuck us over, keep it going round and round in legal paper until their rotten head falls off.

The concept of FFP or the new sustainability rules need ripped up and thrown out. It now evident why they rules where brought in. The football community is largely bent tho so nothing will be done until the government intervene.

For any rag/dipper/arse/Everton fan reading. City have not been charged with FFP since the Uefa case when the goal posts changed on reporting. The whole CAS episode was a joke with no evidence to show wrong doing.

Everton admitted guilt for breaking sustainability rules buying crap after crap which is nobody’s business but their own. If they had of spent the money well and won a trophy or started to get top 4 then they would be coming after Everton anyway.

The rags have been fined for failing ffp.

The dippers hid their overspend in a fake stadium.

Arsenal/Rwanda nothing to see here!! City built the emirates with player transfers and then after nearly 20 years of being shit gave you a manager and a few players. So suck my blue balls!

If anyone takes the time to actually look at our charges you will see that its not 115 financial breaches unless thats what you call long grass or non compliance!

I genuinely mean this, fuck the premier. They have tried to destroy city. I would prefer we didn’t participate in this fake competition anymore…Now that we have completed football -:)
 
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homerdog said:
Martin Samuel article in the Sunday Times today, it's pretty obvious what he thinks of Richard Masters and his co-conspirators at the PL:


What we are being asked to concede is that... Manchester City’s move from punchline to headline bringing with it some of the greatest football and footballers we have seen, plus the greatest manager, was without merit. The very thing that made the Premier League the best is being redrawn as its biggest failing.
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Very good article and as usual Samuel has his finger on the pulse and knows exactly what is going to happen…..

I honestly think that it was the lure of a super league and ‘pots of dirty Arab money’ that brought the yanks in…..but not content with a slice of the riches on offer, they also want to control which teams get to play, and rules around how owners invest their own money…..

The sooner we are rid of this cancer on our game the better….fat yanks with greasy grubby, grabbing hands !
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
Can you give an example of an organisation getting billions for reputational damage?

Although admittedly no legal expert, unlike most on here, I'd imagine an organisation would have to prove some quantifiable loss to gain any compensation. Other than a few ruffled feathers I can't imagine Etihad or others could actually present a viable case.
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The quantifiable loss is a fair point and is applicable to the Everton case. Many are saying that other clubs can now sue. How do you prove that a £20 m loss over 3 years gave Everton an advantage to warrant a points deduction. Other clubs loss can be quantified if they were relegated but surely you cannot correlate such a small overspend in that way. Clubs spend millions on a season and could end up with less points than the previous season. Spend does not guarantee points.
 
Dannyblue52 said:
The quantifiable loss is a fair point and is applicable to the Everton case. Many are saying that other clubs can now sue. How do you prove that a £20 m loss over 3 years gave Everton an advantage to warrant a points deduction. Other clubs loss can be quantified if they were relegated but surely you cannot correlate such a small overspend in that way. Clubs spend millions on a season and could end up with less points than the previous season. Spend does not guarantee points.
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If a club is looking remuneration because they got relegated and another team broke financial rules, said club must also open their books for the same time period.

On the field crapness is no excuse to demand financial remuneration.

You were not good enough on the field to get points and you were not good enough off the field with buying players and you were not good enough coaching said players.

The blame someone else culture is alive and kicking!
 
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