PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Spili's City said:
I’m concerned too, I seriously doubt their independence. They will be pushed to hand out severe penalties even with the flimsiest of charges subjectively proven eg non cooperation
This is why I asked what recourse through the courts we have if any of the above happens. Or are we just a sitting duck ?
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I personally think what they're planning hasn't ever happened before (Bury were expelled but technically insolvent), uncharted territory with this PL power struggle.
 
wolviedinho said:
Very informative and balanced article. Martin writes what most of us think and feel about the situation. A lone voice drowned out by the ferocious click bait pack. At least we know it’s not always bias blue thinking on our part.

Wonder how many points Master the red has recommended the independent tribunal to hit City with? Greed and jealousy by the red clubs has destroyed the league. All because they fear competition. This is what happens when you hand over so much power to those clubs.
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Well he got his instructions when he went to be questioned by the red shite he probably bowed to them and licked there shoes something the option didn't want to do and turned it down! The league is corrupt because of the red shite and Levy the band leader
 
Martin Samuel. The only journalist with the guts to point out that so called “financial fair play” is unfair and designed to help the “elite” clubs.

Samuel could easily joint the pack that lesser “journalists” run with. Where no thought or bravery is shown but the same old tired articles brought out.

It would be easy for Samuel to pick on the clubs with the Middle East owners and ignore those “elite” teams as it pays to play to the masses.

At least one journalist dares to be different.
 
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LeonardoDaVnci said:
Martin Samuel has given us a vision of what lies ahead for the PL. In time Richard Masters will be studied in Business schools along with Gerald Ratner, ie how the wrong person at the wrong time can single handedly destroy a multi billion pound business.

Can't stress this next point enough.

BEFORE the IC hearing - Masters approved the list of clubs given clearance to seek compensation from Everton.

BEFORE the IC hearing - Masters had instructed the IC hearing on the points deduction sanction to be used on Everton.

So he is now legally obliged to follow that process. So BEFORE our IC, what clubs have been given clearance to seek compensation from City, and what sanction has Masters asked for if we are found guilty of ANY number of the charges from 1 all the way to 115.
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I'm not sure where you get all this information from, but from what I've read, the PL recommended a punishment of 6 points, plus one additional point for each £5m expenditure above the threshold. To me that should be 6 points for a failing of £0-£5m, 7 points for £5m-£10m, 8 points for £10m-£15m, 9 points for £15m-£20m. Everton failed by £19.5m, so that's a 9 point points deduction recommended by the PL, from my understanding.

It could be argued that failing by £0-£5m should invite an additional point deduction, and each other band increasing by a point, resulting in a 10 point recommendation for Everton. I have read that the PL has guidelines for P&S failures, but these guidelines are not published in the PL Handbook, and I haven't found them published elsewhere.

The commission decided against using the PL recommendation, but applied is own sanction, which happens to be very similar to the recommended sanction.

This is in Section 13 of the Everton judgment document.
 
homerdog said:
Martin Samuel article in the Sunday Times today, it's pretty obvious what he thinks of Richard Masters and his co-conspirators at the PL:


What we are being asked to concede is that... Manchester City’s move from punchline to headline bringing with it some of the greatest football and footballers we have seen, plus the greatest manager, was without merit. The very thing that made the Premier League the best is being redrawn as its biggest failing.
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Brilliant article and good to see the article has been well received. It really is essential reading.
Or, if listening is your bag, you can hear him speak about many of the same points in the podcast last week.

Link here:
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PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

There will be all sorts of guesses at this but how long do you think the hearing will take once it actually sits? The PL team will have to present their evidence on a huge number of individual charges and then ours will offer our defence on each of them. The non cooperation charges could...
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Richard Masters’s allegations are of a criminal nature, the charges are crystal clear, falsified accounting and over stating revenues in a multi million pound business is NOT for an internal sporting committee to resolve. The accusations are also aimed at companies like Etihad Airways etc. Why the hell should they let their businesses be denigrated by the likes of Richard Masters and Daniel Levy. It should be heard in a court of Law. Reputational damage and the Streisand effect are hardly a concern for City now in the short term, our reputation has been annihilated. We need to fight back in a court of Law pdq. What are the down sides of that approach ? It’s escalating the whole thing but compared to what ? Richard Master’s kangaroo court. If it was me and I knew I was innocent I would want those criminal charges removed before discussing the length of the grass issues with Masters.
 
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homerdog said:
Martin Samuel article in the Sunday Times today, it's pretty obvious what he thinks of Richard Masters and his co-conspirators at the PL:


What we are being asked to concede is that... Manchester City’s move from punchline to headline bringing with it some of the greatest football and footballers we have seen, plus the greatest manager, was without merit. The very thing that made the Premier League the best is being redrawn as its biggest failing.
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Just read it. A brilliant article, but extremely depressing. Why are other journalists so blind? He sounds like he’s genuinely mourning the loss of professional football as we know it.
 
oakiecokie said:
We have lawyers who will eat to the bones of all charges, of that I have no doE
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Paladin said:
I'm not sure where you get all this information from, but from what I've read, the PL recommended a punishment of 6 points, plus one additional point for each £5m expenditure above the threshold. To me that should be 6 points for a failing of £0-£5m, 7 points for £5m-£10m, 8 points for £10m-£15m, 9 points for £15m-£20m. Everton failed by £19.5m, so that's a 9 point points deduction recommended by the PL, from my understanding.

It could be argued that failing by £0-£5m should invite an additional point deduction, and each other band increasing by a point, resulting in a 10 point recommendation for Everton. I have read that the PL has guidelines for P&S failures, but these guidelines are not published in the PL Handbook, and I haven't found them published elsewhere.

The commission decided against using the PL recommendation, but applied is own sanction, which happens to be very similar to the recommended sanction.

This is in Section 13 of the Everton judgment document.
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I agree with your EFC calcs, but we are facing a x 10 sanction, which if applied would easily lead to relegation. The cost of that plus loss of ECL revenue plus unimaginable compensation claims would run into hundreds of millions. The Everton ruling has changed everything, our next move will be an application to the High Court any day soon. The risks are too high to leave it to Richard Masters’s kangaroo court. We may as well spend the next Xmillion pounds on legal costs for a real court.
So I want to see the prospect of Richard Master’s facing the lawyers of Etihad Airaways etc in a court of Law and under oath explaining exactly what his compelling evidence of corruption actually is.
 
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Revolver said:
Martin Samuel. The only journalist with the guts to point out that so called “financial fair play” is unfair and designed to help the “elite” clubs.

Samuel could easily joint the pack that lesser “journalists” run with. Where no thought or bravery is shown but the same old tired articles brought out.

It would be easy for Samuel to pick on the clubs with the Middle East owners and ignore those teams as it pays to play to the masses.

At least one journalist dares to be different.
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Martin Samuel has been banging the same drum for years.

TBF he wasn't without support from some of the guests on the old Sunday Supplement and SKY pundits who broadly agreed with the arguments. Neville is well known but off the top of my head I can think of Neil Custis, Nial Quinn and James Ducker who were all opposed. There were more as well.

Problem is that when we got to the build up to the 2014 settlement and beyond, many of those not supporting FFP shifted the argument. The revised view was we have no choice but to follow the rules and if we don't like them we had to fight them in court. We didn't pursue that and took the pinch instead
 
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If we are fortunate enough to win the league for a record breaking 4th time, personally I’d like to see Richard masters introduced to crowd before he hands over the trophy. As a club and fan base we are far to nice to his like and all the journalists. Can you imagine what the dippers would be like if the roles were reversed.
 
LeonardoDaVnci said:
Richard Masters’s allegations are of a criminal nature, the charges are crystal clear, falsified accounting and over stating revenues in a multi million pound business is NOT for an internal sporting committee to resolve. The accusations are also aimed at companies like Etihad Airways etc. Why the hell should they let their businesses be denigrated by the likes of Richard Masters and Daniel Levy. It should be heard in a court of Law. Reputational damage and the Streisand effect are hardly a concern for City now in the short term, our reputation has been annihilated. We need to fight back in a court of Law pdq. What are the down sides of that approach ? It’s escalating the whole thing but compared to what ? Richard Master’s kangaroo court. If it was me and I knew I was innocent I would want those criminal charges removed before discussing the length of the grass issues with Masters.
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Levy is in the back pockets of the red teams and he wants to be in their gang.
 
jimmygrimblesboots said:
The shit will hit the fan when we do disprove all the charges , Gas Mk10 piss boiling
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This is the thing that worries me. For City to be found innocent will be very embarrassing for the pl. The pl have allowed the American owners to push the pl to this point.
For the pl to falsely bring 115 charges against one of its members would be a disaster for the pl.

This is why I think City will not get a independent hearing. I know people say those doing the hearing are KC but the British judicial service is riddled with wrong doings.
 
give it to gordon said:
This is the thing that worries me. For City to be found innocent will be very embarrassing for the pl. The pl have allowed the American owners to push the pl to this point.
For the pl to falsely bring 115 charges against one of its members would be a disaster for the pl.

This is why I think City will not get a independent hearing. I know people say those doing the hearing are KC but the British judicial service is riddled with wrong doings.
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The whole Everton situation is already proving embarrassing to the Premier League with the people sitting on the panel having vested interests in Leeds and West Ham. Then there’s the scattergun process of the ten point sanction. Heads should roll over this and Master’s won’t survive. They’ve already botched one teams hearing, where they have admitted the charges now they have to take on City who have admitted nothing.
 
give it to gordon said:
This is the thing that worries me. For City to be found innocent will be very embarrassing for the pl. The pl have allowed the American owners to push the pl to this point.
For the pl to falsely bring 115 charges against one of its members would be a disaster for the pl.

This is why I think City will not get a independent hearing. I know people say those doing the hearing are KC but the British judicial service is riddled with wrong doings.
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Part of Everton's panel that dished out the 10 pt punishment was a director at West Ham at the time they paid Sheff Utd compensation for signing tevez & mascherano , hardly an endorsment of their knowledge or impartiality.
We have a Gooner season ticket holder on the panel deciding our fate , there is no such thing as independent it is quite obvious the Gooner wants at least a 10 point dedecution for us so the Goons can win the title.
Couldnt give a shite if he is a KC or MBE or Royalty like everyone in this world and will have bias and favouritism , its human nature.
The panel should consist of non football individuals , with no connection with any football club , so they can view the evidence from a business point of view , it is not a sporting charge/agenda we are accused of we have been accused of financial fraud.
 
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