PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Bez said:
KCs are very clever people. That is not in doubt. It does not follow however that they also have high integrity. On the basis that barristers can get guilty people off from their charges, it is entirely plausible that the tribunal will find an angle to punish City amongst the myriad of rules and regulations the PL have created over the period in question. I don't believe City are guilty and this whole process pisses me off big time. But, I am increasingly mindful that innocent parties can be punished and guilty parties can walk free. The law does not always result in justice being done. Far from it. And equally, appeals don't always result in justice either.

That said, if the PL manage to land a low blow on City the whole structure of english elite football will be subject to an existential threat so huge with serious ramifications for the PL and English football. Armageddon springs to mind. So, clever KC, when you are being pushed by the PL to find an angle, consider the aftermath of your actions. If anyone sees KC Rosen on a tram in Manchester or similar we should impress upon him the responsibility he has been given. Some people call these things a poisoned chalice.
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Integrity and the legal profession aren’t particularly close bed fellows. Significant parts of the profession work to get people acquitted whom they often know have committed the crime!
 
Easy there tough guy...

I'm talking to you Tash guy...
 
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Prestwich_Blue said:
It's looking more and more like the legal equivalent of the Charge of the Light Brigade.
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Fuck up in orders, directed against a much stronger force, bug out as soon as the fuck up is seen, and nobody gets to know the real truth.

Very much feels like it, just waiting for the end-state to take place.
 
Spili's City said:
If people think the IC is going to give us a fair hearing and punishment they are deluded.
Should they smash us with penalties then how will that negatively affect their reputation given that everyone out there thinks we’re guilty anyway. Make no mistake about it, they will hit us for six even if only foundry guilty for the most minor of offenses.
I am seriously uncomfortable that our fate is in the hands of these three individuals.
This needs to be looked at through the legal system, non negotiable.
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The commission is made up of at least 2 KCs the Everton panel included a financial expert as well Like I said I don’t believe the KCs will risk repretation for a kangaroo PL court, why should they?
 
wolviedinho said:
Maybe but I can’t help thinking of a more simplistic approach. Uefa accused and charged us due to jealous clubs in Europe and at home with no evidence but flimsy emails.

The premier is following the same path. Football is loaded so hiring lawyers for a few years is a drop in the ocean. Tebas kept spouting the nonsense that everyone knew city was guilty of owner funding but time barred issues did not allow punishment and hence we got away with it.

The clubs in England have ran with this due to pressure and the hope tebas was right. They also need to appease the rags/dips and need to show tough regulations.

Smoke and mirrors. This is a business fight and nothing to do with sport. Competition needs to be destroyed hence the attacks.

Imo we give far too much credit to institutions like the premier league without foundation.
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I don't give those scumbags an ounce of credit...but you're right, far too many overrate those greedy nitwits...
 
nmc said:
Integrity and the legal profession aren’t particularly close bed fellows. Significant parts of the profession work to get people acquitted whom they often know have committed the crime!
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They are doing a job, their morals and feelings shouldn’t come into it It’s not their role to decide on the evidence or punish, that’s for the judge and jury
 
How about charging the rags?!. Garnacho can go do one and his pathetic overrated goal!.

Does he actually do anything when he plays for Argentina?!.

Oh no, skint owner so they just give a fine!. Makes my blood boil these Rags won't wind up and liquidate. Football would be a much more enjoyable sport to follow if they never existed.
 
Gordyola said:
They are doing a job, their morals and feelings shouldn’t come into it It’s not their role to decide on the evidence or punish, that’s for the judge and jury
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Isn’t that them - when they’re on the panel? :)
 
There still seems to be a misconception of what City have been accused of and how that is different to Everton. To recap, Everton were found guilty of breaking rules and were punished. City aren't accused of breaking rules, they are accused of circumventing processes to get around the rules. So what will be looked at is if City got an unfair advantage by using loopholes to comply with rules, that they basically 'massaged' these processes so they could comply. So that will take ages as it isn't a cut and dry 'Yes/No' Did City break known rules decision. Each charge would need to be examined to see if it was in the spirit of the rules, if there is a precedent for the way City applied their mechanisms and so on.

The way to look at it would be imagine doping in athletics and Everton and City are athletes. Everton have had a sample show that there are traces of nandrolone in their system. They've admitted it. They've got their penalty.

City have taken the same test and it is clear. However some investigators have said City have been eating an absolute shit ton of Wakame seaweed which has a naturally occurring source of a performance enhancing substance and City are saying they ate it because it contained antioxidants which have health advantages. They also say they've been up front about eating this seaweed for years and years and that they did this because it gave them a health improvement but in a natural, legally compliant way. They also say that they used an extensive network of medical experts to design this nutrition program based on seaweed, that all of the details of this program are readily available to inspect and that these medical experts have guaranteed that the program was fully legal even though it gave them an advantage.

Prosecutors are saying that City actually ate the seaweed for the performance enhancement substance but using the antioxidant argument to remain compliant. They'll therefore investigate in detail all the different medical programs to try and ascertain the intention behind the scheme. Problem with this is it is one man's word against the other.

What then will happen is the PL will say City are guilty, here's a 30 point penalty. City will then say 'fuck you, we took advice that our schemes were totally legal, you've know about these for fucking ages, we are suing you right back'. City will then unleash the legal forces of darkness and this will go on for absolute fucking AGES.

By the time it is concluded one way or the other the following things will have happened;

- Pep will have left long ago
- City will have won numerous additional trophies in this time
- Spurs will still have won fuck all
- United will once again be 'back this time, honest'

If anyone thinks this will be wrapped up within a couple of years they are sorely mistaken.
 
bridgeno1 said:
There still seems to be a misconception of what City have been accused of and how that is different to Everton. To recap, Everton were found guilty of breaking rules and were punished. City aren't accused of breaking rules, they are accused of circumventing processes to get around the rules. So what will be looked at is if City got an unfair advantage by using loopholes to comply with rules, that they basically 'massaged' these processes so they could comply. So that will take ages as it isn't a cut and dry 'Yes/No' Did City break known rules decision. Each charge would need to be examined to see if it was in the spirit of the rules, if there is a precedent for the way City applied their mechanisms and so on.

The way to look at it would be imagine doping in athletics and Everton and City are athletes. Everton have had a sample show that there are traces of nandrolone in their system. They've admitted it. They've got their penalty.

City have taken the same test and it is clear. However some investigators have said City have been eating an absolute shit ton of Wakame seaweed which has a naturally occurring source of a performance enhancing substance and City are saying they ate it because it contained antioxidants which have health advantages. They also say they've been up front about eating this seaweed for years and years and that they did this because it gave them a health improvement but in a natural, legally compliant way. They also say that they used an extensive network of medical experts to design this nutrition program based on seaweed, that all of the details of this program are readily available to inspect and that these medical experts have guaranteed that the program was fully legal even though it gave them an advantage.

Prosecutors are saying that City actually ate the seaweed for the performance enhancement substance but using the antioxidant argument to remain compliant. They'll therefore investigate in detail all the different medical programs to try and ascertain the intention behind the scheme. Problem with this is it is one man's word against the other.

What then will happen is the PL will say City are guilty, here's a 30 point penalty. City will then say 'fuck you, we took advice that our schemes were totally legal, you've know about these for fucking ages, we are suing you right back'. City will then unleash the legal forces of darkness and this will go on for absolute fucking AGES.

By the time it is concluded one way or the other the following things will have happened;

- Pep will have left long ago
- City will have won numerous additional trophies in this time
- Spurs will still have won fuck all
- United will once again be 'back this time, honest'

If anyone thinks this will be wrapped up within a couple of years they are sorely mistaken.
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And I thought it was me that put the anal into analogy. Good post btw.
 
bridgeno1 said:
There still seems to be a misconception of what City have been accused of and how that is different to Everton. To recap, Everton were found guilty of breaking rules and were punished. City aren't accused of breaking rules, they are accused of circumventing processes to get around the rules. So what will be looked at is if City got an unfair advantage by using loopholes to comply with rules, that they basically 'massaged' these processes so they could comply. So that will take ages as it isn't a cut and dry 'Yes/No' Did City break known rules decision. Each charge would need to be examined to see if it was in the spirit of the rules, if there is a precedent for the way City applied their mechanisms and so on.

The way to look at it would be imagine doping in athletics and Everton and City are athletes. Everton have had a sample show that there are traces of nandrolone in their system. They've admitted it. They've got their penalty.

City have taken the same test and it is clear. However some investigators have said City have been eating an absolute shit ton of Wakame seaweed which has a naturally occurring source of a performance enhancing substance and City are saying they ate it because it contained antioxidants which have health advantages. They also say they've been up front about eating this seaweed for years and years and that they did this because it gave them a health improvement but in a natural, legally compliant way. They also say that they used an extensive network of medical experts to design this nutrition program based on seaweed, that all of the details of this program are readily available to inspect and that these medical experts have guaranteed that the program was fully legal even though it gave them an advantage.

Prosecutors are saying that City actually ate the seaweed for the performance enhancement substance but using the antioxidant argument to remain compliant. They'll therefore investigate in detail all the different medical programs to try and ascertain the intention behind the scheme. Problem with this is it is one man's word against the other.

What then will happen is the PL will say City are guilty, here's a 30 point penalty. City will then say 'fuck you, we took advice that our schemes were totally legal, you've know about these for fucking ages, we are suing you right back'. City will then unleash the legal forces of darkness and this will go on for absolute fucking AGES.

By the time it is concluded one way or the other the following things will have happened;

- Pep will have left long ago
- City will have won numerous additional trophies in this time
- Spurs will still have won fuck all
- United will once again be 'back this time, honest'

If anyone thinks this will be wrapped up within a couple of years they are sorely mistaken.
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And Arsenal still won’t have won the Premier League
 
wolviedinho said:
This comment was made by Soriano in the FT during the uefa case.

It can easily apply to the league:

“The owner has not put money in this club that has not been properly declared,” said Mr Soriano. “We are a sustainable football club, we are profitable, we don’t have debt, our accounts have been scrutinised many times by auditors, by regulators, by investors and this is perfectly clear.”

Anyone doubting the club just needs to read what Soriano, Khaldoon said at the time. The case now with the league is pretty much the same…illegal owner funding!

There is no leak nor smoking gun. The financials can’t be interpreted any other way but correct and accurate.

If anything the Cas Verdict has given the club a dry run. We know how these tribunals operate now.

We can easily argue each point the premier tries to push on us with the evidence presented at CAS. How can you find the club guilty when CAS could find no evidence?

It’s going to be a beautiful day/week/month when the case falls apart and the media is foaming at the mouth. Might need to book a holiday once the all clear comes in.
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Apparently we chose the judges, bribed them with oil money & then only got away with it due to being time barred ………
 
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