Stamp Duty

[hilts]

Doesn't give anything away mate. I live in a nice-ish house with a small (40ft) garden on a bog standard housing estate. Sorry if that doesn't fit your profile. Not Coronation Street for sure, but not exactly Longleat either.


I have a sense of decency that some people seem to lack. I don't like to see unfairness in any form, even if that is unfairness on the better off. I am not bitter and resentful of people better off than I am, again, unlike some on here.

I have never given you a profile. You brought up where you live and the size of your house I really don't care tbh. Your priorities are odd that is all.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I don't want the government running anything other than things that it must unavoidably run. And I want people to keep as much of their own money as possible. I believe in great public services via and as a result of, a thriving economy.

Could you give an example of a country run in this way? Serious question, because I think you'vre really got a decision to take between "great services" and "small govt". I can't think of anywhere that does both.

 

[hilts]

Er, to differentiate from "rich" people who perhaps haven't had to work hard but were gifted it/born into it?

Not sure the tax man can wonder around checking on how hard people are working. The tax rate cannot take into account a lazy sod from a workaholic or anywhere in between. Why mention it.

Yet again it's how you post.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Could you give an example of a country run in this way? Serious question, because I think you'vre really got a decision to take between "great services" and "small govt". I can't think of anywhere that does both.

It's the fantasy of the right wing. Or more accurately cover for the fact that they genuinely don't give a shit about how bad public services get (hard to get elected saying that, though). Evidenced by the last 13 years. It amazes me that anyone, even someone who espouses conservative values on the economy, could have sat through the last 13 years and still consider voting for them.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Your sense of decency is allowing you to vote for a party with the least sense of decency in living memory. Unfairness? Ditto.
Your moral compass is all over the shop mate.

What are the policies of this party you allege to have the worst sense of decency, that particularly appal you? I'd be interested to hear them.

Look at the last budget for example. Increased the state pension, raised the minimum wage, reduced NI contributions, did NOT cut inheritance tax, plan to back british businesses.

What exactly did these evil swines do this time which so deeply offends you?

 

[Vic]

But Fujitsu run many successful projects, as do IBM, Accenture, Deloitte, EY etc and all the rest.

So what went wrong? What's the common denominator. It's the government. Everything it ever touches turns to shit. And yes I know the Post Office is not a government body any more, but old habits die hard. I see it myself with work on British Steel (as was, before it became Corus and later Tata. Public sector mentality. Be busy on something because you need to be busy, but for god's sake don't ever finish anything or else you might get reassigned to something else, or god forbit, be made redundant. So just plod along wasting your time, turn up at 9, fuck off at 5pm sharp and make sure you take your sick days, everyone takes them you know, so nothing to be ashamed of. In short, a fucking disgrace. No accountability, no responsibility, just buck passing and not giving a shit. I see it in the NHS all over the place. I see it at the Council offices. It's endemic in our public sector and former public sector businesses.

Now that's obsession.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Look at the last budget for example. Increased the state pension, raised the minimum wage, reduced NI contributions, did NOT cut inheritance tax, plan to back british businesses.

Paid for by not increasing the tax thresholds in line with inflation.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Not sure the tax man can wonder around checking on how hard people are working. The tax rate cannot take into account a lazy sod from a workaholic or anywhere in between. Why mention it.

Yet again it's how you post.

It was relevant to the topic. To demonstrate that normal, hard working people are clobbered by punitive taxes and that punitive taxes do not only apply to the uber rich classes.

If you don't get that, then never mind, I am OK with you not understanding the point.

 

[Phil1]

What are the policies of this party you allege to have the worst sense of decency, that particularly appal you? I'd be interested to hear them.

Look at the last budget for example. Increased the state pension, raised the minimum wage, reduced NI contributions, did NOT cut inheritance tax, plan to back british businesses.

What exactly did these evil swines do this time which so deeply offends you?

If you don’t think the last 5 years of Tory government hasn’t revealed a multitude of liars, grifters and self serving narcissists then I don’t think it’s worth continuing.
They talk a good game but are going to leave office with the country in a far far worse state than they found it.
You’re welcome to the cunts.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Now that's obsession.

With reality.

 

[Chippy_boy]

If you don’t think the last 5 years of Tory government hasn’t revealed a multitude of liars, grifters and self serving narcissists then I don’t think it’s worth continuing.
They talk a good game but are going to leave office with the country in a far far worse state than they found it.
You’re welcome to the cunts.

Well ducked.

 

[Phil1]

Well ducked.

Quack.

 

[bluethrunthru]

It amazes me when you see people driving around in posh cars and living in multi-million pound houses. Where the fuck have they got their money from? It’s almost impossible to make any money in the UK through legitimate channels because of the tax burden frankly.
I am a salaried director of a business and if we make a profit of say £50k we’re subject to paying corporation tax on that of 25% this year. This gives a net profit of £37,500.00 happy days you may think. But as soon as I want to put that £37,500.00 in my bank I pay tax on it again - this time at 40% which involves paying a further £15k in tax which then leaves a net net profit of £22,500.00. So out of a year where the business has worked its bollocks to the bone and turned a profit of £50k the govt takes £27,500.00 of that profit in tax!

Mixture of rampant consumerism - inheritance and access to endless tic mate.

Loads of stuff is just bought on the never never or even leased. You can lease 2nd hand cars 2nd hand IT all sorts its not just brand new. Low interest rights for a long time got people in houses they probably wouldn't have been able to in previous times then rapid house value increases have given them some equity that they can also access to buy/lease/afford even more stuff. Maybe their mums and dads would have used such a windfall to enhance savings but a lot of people in a swanky house with a huge fridge quite like the idea of a new Rangey or Audi on the drive so the money goes there. Likewise that mum and dad will pass on and leave an inheritance to spend ( I mean where is the sense of using it to boost your pension or savings !!?? ) because that new Range Rover or Audi is a year old and needs to be moved on.

Its a bubble - we have seen these before and they always pop in the end leading to the predictable

 

[I'm With Stupid]

With reality.

Aye, all public services are shit, and all private businesses are way more efficient. Except the Post Office, which is shit because it used to be public. Which begs the question how long does something have to be private before we get the benefit? Clearly 10 years isn't enough, but given you're willing to give the Tories 13 years of fucking up the economy, and still trust them to turn it around, you're obviously more patient than most.

 

[Vic]

What are the policies of this party you allege to have the worst sense of decency, that particularly appal you? I'd be interested to hear them.

Look at the last budget for example. Increased the state pension, raised the minimum wage, reduced NI contributions, did NOT cut inheritance tax, plan to back british businesses.

What exactly did these evil swines do this time which so deeply offends you?

Increased the deficit. I'd have thought that would offend you.

 

[hilts]

It was relevant to the topic. To demonstrate that normal, hard working people are clobbered by punitive taxes and that punitive taxes do not only apply to the uber rich classes.

If you don't get that, then never mind, I am OK with you not understanding the point.

You think 100k a year owners of million pound Houses are being clobbered. I believe you don't have a true understanding of what being clobbered truly is.

Yet again your priorities are odd and you come across as a bit of a Tory elitist tit.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Aye, all public services are shit, and all private businesses are way more efficient. Except the Post Office, which is shit because it used to be public. Which begs the question how long does something have to be private before we get the benefit? Clearly 10 years isn't enough, but given you're willing to give the Tories 13 years of fucking up the economy, and still trust them to turn it around, you're obviously more patient than most.

At least the water, energy and rail systems have been streamlined and are far more efficient than they were. Cheaper too.

 

[hilts]

At least the water, energy and rail systems have been streamlined and are far more efficient than they were. Cheaper too.

The flagship trio

Dysentry, hypothermia and cancellations.

 

[Chippy_boy]

At least the water, energy and rail systems have been streamlined and are far more efficient than they were. Cheaper too.

Businesses exist to make profit, and they will do that very efficiently thank-you very much. If in a competitive market they will do it by offering better products and services at the best possible prices. E.g. Amazon, or indeed pretty much any well run business.

But if they have a monopoly, then businesses are more than happy to just rip people off. Why not - profit is their prime motive, so if they can charge people who have nowhere to go, more money then ker-ching.

What was idiotic, was to sell off state assets, like the railways, and give e.g. the train operators like 10 year monopoly franchises. And WORSE, try to govern them with a toothless regulator that tolerates year upon year of above RPI increases. Shameful. Why not sell off slots like with airfares, so you could choose to go on the XYZ train at 08:30 which is £50 but you get free breakfast, or go on the 08:45 run by a different company that's only £36 but no frills. Where is that choice? If you had choice, rail fares would have fallen, like Easyjet has lowered airfares from the rip off British Airways was charging. Oh wait, British Airways, another former nationalised shambles.

And who was it who sold off the assets in such an incompetent way? Oh wait again. The government. Incompetence in action as per.

How is it that e.g. Unilever can outsource all of its procurement activity to IBM? Or Oracle outsource its marketing? And yet the NHS cannot outsource its cleaning functions without getting reamed? Oh, it's the government again. Quelle surprise. Where is the SLA that penalised poor performance and holds the private cleaning businesses to account with property penalties?

Sorry but the government aka civil servants are incompetent idiots who we should not trust to run a piss up in a brewery. We've already discussed on this very thread the omni-shambles that is HS2 and the NHS national program for IT. More incompetent cock ups. And some of you lot want MORE government? You're mad.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Businesses exist to make profit, and they will do that very efficiently thank-you very much. If in a competitive market they will do it by offering better products and services at the best possible prices. E.g. Amazon, or indeed pretty much any well run business.

But if they have a monopoly, then businesses are more than happy to just rip people off. Why not - profit is their prime motive, so if they can charge people who have nowhere to go, more money then ker-ching.

What was idiot was to sell off state assets, like the railways, and give e.g. the train operators like 10 year franchises. And WORSE, try to govern them with a toothless regulator that tolerates year upon year of above RPI increases. Shameful.

And who was it who did this? Oh wait. The government. Incompetence in action as per.

How is it that e.g. Unilever can outsource all of its procurement activity to IBM? Or Oracle outsource its marketing? And yet the NHS cannot outsource its cleaning functions without getting reamed? Oh, it's the government again. Quelle surprise. Where is the SLA that penalised poor performance and holds the private businesses to account with property penalties?

Sorry but the government aka civil servants are incompetent idiots who we should not trust to run a piss up in a brewery. We've already discussed on this very thread the omni-shambles that is HS2 and the NHS national program for IT. More incompetent cock ups. And some of you lot want MORE government? You're mad.

These are all symptoms of Toryism.