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bluethrunthru said:
fuck me sideways

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It's never been normal. I remember a clip on BBC with one of this old fuckwits repeating Trump's talking points verbatim demonstrating a complete lack of any critically thinking.

That was 2016.

You'd have to be a complete imbecile or crazy racist to be attracted to someone as transparently insincere and self-serving as Trump.
 
There are some people that hear the dog whistles, want every immigrant deported, and think that American troops should kick everyone else’s ass, no matter where in the world or why! They think we should use the same mentality in the area of trade policy and believe that ONLY Trump has the strength and personality to do it because A) He can’t be bought because he’s a lifelong successful multi-billionaire, and B) He’s an über-American patriot who not only understands their concerns about American decay (read: racist tropes, both foreign AND domestic), but will fix it BECAUSE he understands them and is their only chance to wield Washington’s immeasurable power for them, rather than the pedophilic, lizard people who run the Swamp (their word for the Government).

And, yes, they are, for the most part, uneducated, mentally ill and ill-informed, non-urban people who marinate in their own misery and echo chamber of right wing misinformation and disinformation formation cultivated for that very purpose.

And some of you wonder why the reflexive “Trumper” epithet is so annoying when directed at some of us…just because we own a gun or believe in law and order.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
It's never been normal. I remember a clip on BBC with one of this old fuckwits repeating Trump's talking points verbatim demonstrating a complete lack of any critically thinking.

That was 2016.

You'd have to be a complete imbecile or crazy racist to be attracted to someone as transparently insincere and self-serving as Trump.
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Trump is a successful demagogue demonstrating how a mass cult is created. Many of those inveigled in are well educated and intelligent, see Cassidy Hutchinson. Frightening.
 
Fuckin frightening that the only Two people Trump ever seems to mention and give praise too is Putin & Victor Orban. The actual shitshow that Ukraine, Nato and everyone else will be in if this twat gets in.
 
The blue phantom said:
Fuckin frightening that the only Two people Trump ever seems to mention and give praise too is Putin & Victor Orban. The actual shitshow that Ukraine, Nato and everyone else will be in if this twat gets in.
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I think our relationship with the US is going to become increasingly challenging irrespective of the outcome of the Presidential election, as the country appears to be losing its mind irrespective.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
They can’t be that intelligent.
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You’re quite wrong in the implication of your post. Hitler had many highly intelligent adherents, for example. Hutchinson said you had to be at a Trump rally to understand the force of his demagoguery. Falling for a cult leader is not within the sole purview of the stupid. There is plenty of literature on the psychology at play.
 
KS55 said:
You’re quite wrong in the implication of your post. Hitler had many highly intelligent adherents, for example. Hutchinson said you had to be at a Trump rally to understand the force of his demagoguery. Falling for a cult leader is not within the sole purview of the stupid. There is plenty of literature on the psychology at play.
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Ok, let me rephrase that: they can’t be as intelligent as me.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Ok, let me rephrase that: they can’t be as intelligent as me.
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There are different types of intelligence. there are people with insanely high IQ etc with very low common sense. the 2 dont go hand in hand.

the problem is, and this is where the likes of Qanon/consipiracy theories come into this, once you get someone to start to question things like Science ( if everything is a theory then nothing is proven so everything you think you believe can be wrong so why not on subject x/y/z so on and so forth ), from that you start to get people to ignore logic, that basically break the ability to think Critically while actually making people believe they are the ones being smart.

add a charismatic leader to then point these people at and you have the cult.
 
KS55 said:
You’re quite wrong in the implication of your post. Hitler had many highly intelligent adherents, for example. Hutchinson said you had to be at a Trump rally to understand the force of his demagoguery. Falling for a cult leader is not within the sole purview of the stupid. There is plenty of literature on the psychology at play.
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I think a level of stupidity is certainly required to properly fall for a cult leader however it doesn’t mean that very intelligent, usually corrupt, people won’t support one. However they will be doing it to further their own selfish ends and will believe that the demagoguery of the leader will have a positive effect on their fortunes. The majority are fucking idiots though and the minority non-stupid ones are the ones that are the biggest enablers because of their influence in media and big business.
 
grunge said:
There are different types of intelligence. there are people with insanely high IQ etc with very low common sense. the 2 dont go hand in hand.
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Some people have both so they absolutely can go hand in hand, but I broadly accept the point you’re making as I’ve made it myself on a number of occasions.
 
grunge said:
yeah sorry, I meant to say the 2 don't necessarily go hand in hand, I wasn't trying to imply an absolute :)
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Had dinner just before Xmas with a guy who is a long-time friend and colleague of my partner, she’s known him for years. He’s the nicest guy you could ever wish to meet, insanely intelligent and a is a Senior Vice President at one of the top 30 companies that make up the Dow Jones Industrial Average. His entire job and career, which he’s done very, very well at, involves a high level of critical/ systems thinking and being able to successfully connect the dots from disparate data-sets and scenarios. His political beliefs are absolutely insane though, when he gets on to the subject, he sounds no better than the yokel in the video upthread. It really is bizarre.
 
roman totale said:
Had dinner just before Xmas with a guy who is a long-time friend and colleague of my partner, she’s known him for years. He’s the nicest guy you could ever wish to meet, insanely intelligent and a is a Senior Vice President at one of the top 30 companies that make up the Dow Jones Industrial Average. His entire job and career, which he’s done very, very well at, involves a high level of critical/ systems thinking and being able to successfully connect the dots from disparate data-sets and scenarios. His political beliefs are absolutely insane though, when he gets on to the subject, he sounds no better than the yokel in the video upthread. It really is bizarre.
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What's his opinion on Huey Lewis and the News?
 
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