"Metrolink puts tram service on for football and music fans"

I'm claiming the credit for this, although it's not quite as far reaching as I originally suggested. When I was part of City Matters I got invited to take part in a working group that was chaired by Pete Bradshaw, Sustainability Director at City. This included representation from Co-Op Live and other relevant organisations (although I don't recall meeting any TfGM reps). However I know they were talking to TfGM.

We were told that the network was at capacity in terms of tram numbers and there was nothing they could do but my proposal was to use the ones they had more efficiently, by running Piccadilly trams through to the Etihad for an hour or so before and after games.

So nice to see they've adopted the idea but disappointed that it's not more comprehensive.
 
Citizen of Legoland said:
At least the tram is shit in all directions, seems they have some sort of consistency at least.
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It seems to be perfect on match days around a piece of scaffolding. I’ve not heard anything, compared to the amount of issues we have over the years with trams - delays, faults, engineering, singles, lack of frequency etc.

In mitigation:
We are shafted by only having one line near the stadium, compared with the 3 around the scaffold.

As already pointed out , The Cornbrook bottleneck is really bad if anything goes wrong, coupled with the fact that the only tram depot is towards Altrincham. A fault at Cornbrook at about 5 in the morning would kill off the entire network.
A new depot needs to be built on the etihad line (or possibly the other side of Victoria lines) - expensive but at least means 1/2 the network can have trams despite a major failure at a single choke point.
 
JASR said:
It seems to be perfect on match days around a piece of scaffolding. I’ve not heard anything, compared to the amount of issues we have over the years with trams - delays, faults, engineering, singles, lack of frequency etc.

In mitigation:
We are shafted by only having one line near the stadium, compared with the 3 around the scaffold.

As already pointed out , The Cornbrook bottleneck is really bad if anything goes wrong, coupled with the fact that the only tram depot is towards Altrincham. A fault at Cornbrook at about 5 in the morning would kill off the entire network.
A new depot needs to be built on the etihad line (or possibly the other side of Victoria lines) - expensive but at least means 1/2 the network can have trams despite a major failure at a single choke point.
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There is a 2nd tram depot at Queen's Road on the Bury line, so at least something can operate if Trafford depot is taken out by disruption.
The situation at Cornbrook is ridiculous though. At the very least, there should be some 4-tracking through there to avoid the whole network being taken out by a single points failure or track fault.
 
staffsblue said:
There is a 2nd tram depot at Queen's Road on the Bury line, so at least something can operate if Trafford depot is taken out by disruption.
The situation at Cornbrook is ridiculous though. At the very least, there should be some 4-tracking through there to avoid the whole network being taken out by a single points failure or track fault.
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cyan said:
Isn't the original depot at Queens Road still used?
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Ha! Didn’t know there was another depot! Ta
 
JASR said:
Ha! Didn’t know there was another depot! Ta
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It’s actually not that far from the stadium, about 2 miles. If they could run shuttle buses from there and back it would probably help reduce the congestion after games but they need to have a car-free route to make that work.
 
Ctidpaul said:
The trouble with this country is the infrastructure is rubbish,take Manchester airport for example,an international airport where it takes an hour to get to the city centre by tram,and you can’t even get to Stockport by public transport after 10 pm.they ripped up train lines in the 60’s,tram lines were covered and now we can’t cope with the traffic,unlike most of Europe where they still use old trams accross their network and airport connections are reliable and run to the early hours if not 24/7
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Why would anyone use the tram from the City centre to the Airport when there is a vastly quicker rail service from Oxford Road and Piccadilly? The tram link was always intended to transport the Airport workforce to and from South Manchester, not for journeys from the Centre.

The last train from Manchester to Stockport tonight is 23:37. Thirteen trains run after 22:00 from Manchester to Stockport today.

If you think that transport in Manchester is bad you should look at other Cities.
 
Ctidpaul said:
The trouble with this country is the infrastructure is rubbish,take Manchester airport for example,an international airport where it takes an hour to get to the city centre by tram,and you can’t even get to Stockport by public transport after 10 pm.they ripped up train lines in the 60’s,tram lines were covered and now we can’t cope with the traffic,unlike most of Europe where they still use old trams accross their network and airport connections are reliable and run to the early hours if not 24/7
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An hour from airport to City Centre is the norm.

JFK to Times Square is more.
 
Citizen of Legoland said:
It’s actually not that far from the stadium, about 2 miles. If they could run shuttle buses from there and back it would probably help reduce the congestion after games but they need to have a car-free route to make that work.
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That was another suggestion, running shuttle buses to Victoria/Queens Road/Central Park. And to places like GMex/Cornbrook on the south side.
 
JGL07 said:
Why would anyone use the tram from the City centre to the Airport when there is a vastly quicker rail service from Oxford Road and Piccadilly? The tram link was always intended to transport the Airport workforce to and from South Manchester, not for journeys from the Centre.

The last train from Manchester to Stockport tonight is 23:37. Thirteen trains run after 22:00 from Manchester to Stockport today.

If you think that transport in Manchester is bad you should look at other Cities.
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Maybe Manchester but not from the airport
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I'm claiming the credit for this, although it's not quite as far reaching as I originally suggested. When I was part of City Matters I got invited to take part in a working group that was chaired by Pete Bradshaw, Sustainability Director at City. This included representation from Co-Op Live and other relevant organisations (although I don't recall meeting any TfGM reps). However I know they were talking to TfGM.

We were told that the network was at capacity in terms of tram numbers and there was nothing they could do but my proposal was to use the ones they had more efficiently, by running Piccadilly trams through to the Etihad for an hour or so before and after games.

So nice to see they've adopted the idea but disappointed that it's not more comprehensive.
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That's all well and good Prestwich but how do I get home fron Sale tram stop, especially when it's raining, whilst I thank you for your small contribution to this, next time please think outside the box, square the circle and ergh something about a cloud.


Cheers bud :-)
 
WNRH said:
An hour from airport to City Centre is the norm.

JFK to Times Square is more.
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JFK is actually really shit considering it’s the main airport for arguably the no. 1 city on the planet.

I’ve been to New York twice, flew to JFK once and Newark the other. Miles easier getting into the city from Newark.
 
ancoats said:
The Metrolink system for east manchester is shit and badly run, Forget the so-new system and more trams for football or concerts at the new COOP because fans will still be pressed in like sardines in a tin wanting to get on the first tram that turns up,

I don't know the ruling on how many tram carriages can be used under one single tram pulling them, or can they stack 2 or 3 double trams one in one out system, Anyway it's about a 15-minute walk to town or Piccadilly station and it's a great walk when we have won or a good way to get it off your cheat if we have lost

Not like Maine Road 30 to 45-minute walk depending on the weather or DOG and Horse shit dodging
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2.5 miles from Maine Road to Piccadilly, 2 miles from the Etihad.


Gray said:
Check the Bee Network journey planner.

For the Burnley match tram from Navigation Road change at Cornbrook for tram to Etihad.

After the game tram from the Etihad direct to Altrincham.

Huddersfield game direct tram from Altrincham to the Etihad, and vice versa.

No bloody consistency. A second rate transport system.
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Oh dear, having to change tram. There are 6 possible routes from Piccadilly.

staffsblue said:
There is a 2nd tram depot at Queen's Road on the Bury line, so at least something can operate if Trafford depot is taken out by disruption.
The situation at Cornbrook is ridiculous though. At the very least, there should be some 4-tracking through there to avoid the whole network being taken out by a single points failure or track fault.
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4 track? It's on a viaduct.
 
Vic said:
2.5 miles from Maine Road to Piccadilly, 2 miles from the Etihad.




Oh dear, having to change tram. There are 6 possible routes from Piccadilly.


4 track? It's on a viaduct.
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There's land between the viaduct and the junction of the Eccles / Alty lines to widen the viaduct (or bill a second viaduct) towards the Bridgewater Canal.
I run down the canal path quite often when I'm in Manchester so have observed the tram jams there previously!
 
Blue Mist said:
That's all well and good Prestwich but how do I get home fron Sale tram stop, especially when it's raining, whilst I thank you for your small contribution to this, next time please think outside the box, square the circle and ergh something about a cloud.


Cheers bud :-)
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I find a couple of hours in the JP Joule helps numb the pain of the rain :)
 
staffsblue said:
There's land between the viaduct and the junction of the Eccles / Alty lines to widen the viaduct (or bill a second viaduct) towards the Bridgewater Canal.
I run down the canal path quite often when I'm in Manchester so have observed the tram jams there previously!
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So at one and the same time there aren't enough trams, and there are too many.

I know you meant build but the operative word would indeed be the "bill" for widening a viaduct (dead easy that) or having a new one.
 
Vic said:
So at one and the same time there aren't enough trams, and there are too many.

I know you meant build but the operative word would indeed be the "bill" for widening a viaduct (dead easy that) or having a new one.
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There'll have to be some infrastructure expansion at some point. There's talk of converting the Rose Hill Marple and Glossop / Hadfield lines to "tram trains", so all those trams have to go somewhere into and across the city.
There's either going to have to be some sort of underground running or more viaducts. Neither would be cheap, but I guess all that money earmarked for HS2 phase 2 has to be spent somewhere!
 
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