PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Prestwich_Blue said:
The FFP rule is that you can only spend what you earn via normal revenue. SM could have lent us billions but we couldn't spend it. The whole premise of the UEFA and PL cases was that he'd given us money disguised as revenue.

But the problem with UEFA's argument (and presumably the PL's) is that they accepted Etihad's sponsorship was broadly fair value. CAS certainly agreed with that.

Part of the PL's case will probably be around not declaring Etihad as a related party. That's not going to wash I suspect and even if it did, the central fact is that the Etihad sponsorship was fair value, whether Etihad is or isn't a related party.
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And our auditors didn’t see Etihad as a related party either… won’t that be a tough hurdle for the PL to scale retrospectively?
 
Fucking hell the first news article on my Google app this morning. What a smarmy looking knobhead he is. How the hell can the head of UEFA come out and say that. He must know City are under investigation and that his comments are inappropriate. This shouldn't be allowed and action taken against him.

A murderer has a fairer hearing and not decided in the press/media.

I know our case is being heard by KC but all this shit in the press/media makes it hard for me to believe City will get a fair hearing.

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Champions again in 2012 said:
I appreciate the positions with Gill and Parry (I feel unclean typing their names) but in his (Ceferin) position and as an experienced lawyer he shouldn't be firing other people’s bullets
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Firing other people’s bullets is all the likes of Ceferin and Masters do. That’s what their jobs have become. Helping protect the interests of the mob running a protection racket.
 
lancs blue said:
Are you kidding?? It doubles the joy every time we win a trophy because it hurts the red-shirted cunts that much.
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Don't agree.
In between winning trophies it's becoming awful being a city fan.
How can any of us pretend that daily attacks from the media on our club is OK because we win trophies.
It isn't.
We've just won the treble but instead of basking in the glory and accolade we read/hear toxic attacks of our club 24/7.
Don't read it or listen I hear you say.
How, when you only have to face it from other fans now, in work or out in the pub.
Maybe if we ever heard the club fight back then we'd feel more unified but we don't.
So no winding up the red shirts really doesn't equate for this much shit being directed at us for me.
Somehow it needs to stop
 
6 hacked emails printed out on A4 paper as evidence.

We know we were right

All he has done here is show how inept UEFA are as organisation, they believed their ambulance chasing counsel that they had a case who I hazard a guess weren’t doing it for free. Making statements like this is stupid on their part but also a gift to those who are trying to start up a Super League, who can point to this as another example of UEFA not being fit for purpose.

Ceferin should be looking to keep City onside when three clubs in Barca, Real and Juventus have itchy feet, as what ever happens in City’s case will probably be the end of Uefa and the Premier League.
 
Kippax77 said:
Don't agree.
In between winning trophies it's becoming awful being a city fan.
How can any of us pretend that daily attacks from the media on our club is OK because we win trophies.
It isn't.
We've just won the treble but instead of basking in the glory and accolade we read/hear toxic attacks of our club 24/7.
Don't read it or listen I hear you say.
How, when you only have to face it from other fans now, in work or out in the pub.
Maybe if we ever heard the club fight back then we'd feel more unified but we don't.
So no winding up the red shirts really doesn't equate for this much shit being directed at us for me.
Somehow it needs to stop
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Exactly
 
Kippax77 said:
Don't agree.
In between winning trophies it's becoming awful being a city fan.
How can any of us pretend that daily attacks from the media on our club is OK because we win trophies.
It isn't.
We've just won the treble but instead of basking in the glory and accolade we read/hear toxic attacks of our club 24/7.
Don't read it or listen I hear you say.
How, when you only have to face it from other fans now, in work or out in the pub.
Maybe if we ever heard the club fight back then we'd feel more unified but we don't.
So no winding up the red shirts really doesn't equate for this much shit being directed at us for me.
Somehow it needs to stop
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If the club came out stronger, claimed it was innocent to every journos, podcast and pundit who would listen, was then found NOT GUILTY of everything other than not cooperating in the expeditious manner the PL wanted, do you think all the naysayers would suddenly say, “Yep, I have to hold up my hand, I was wrong, you were right! There wasn’t any kind of financial chicanery or fraud, it was all legal and above board. You deserve everything you have won, every penny your club has earned, and I’m glad it’s all finally been adjudicated, even though the result isn’t the one I’d hoped for!”?

No, me either!

Rather, it’ll be “GUILTY, and the only reason you guys didn’t give them the documents was because they’d have proved it, right there and then! Everything you’ve won should have an asterisk attached, because everyone knows! Abu Dhabi fixed it!”

Writes itself!
 
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feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
6 hacked emails printed out on A4 paper as evidence.

We know we were right

All he has done here is show how inept UEFA are as organisation, they believed their ambulance chasing counsel that they had a case who I hazard a guess weren’t doing it for free. Making statements like this is stupid on their part but also a gift to those who are trying to start up a Super League, who can point to this as another example of UEFA not being fit for purpose.

Ceferin should be looking to keep City onside when three clubs in Barca, Real and Juventus have itchy feet, as what ever happens in City’s case will probably be the end of Uefa and the Premier League.
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These '6 printed emails' types of posts are honestly as clueless and as bad any default irrelevant shit that other side throw our way.

Don't disagree with the rest though.
 
Coatigan said:
These '6 printed emails' types of posts are honestly as clueless and as bad any default irrelevant shit that other side throw our way.

Don't disagree with the rest though.
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I don't believe the CAS judgement revealed very much else by way of evidence presented by UEFA.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
If the club came out stronger, claimed it was innocent to every journos, podcast and pundit who would listen, was then found NOT GUILTY of everything other than not cooperating in the expeditious manner the PL wanted, do you think all the naysayers would suddenly say, “Yep, I have to hold up my hand, I was wrong, you were right! There wasn’t any kind of financial chicanery or fraud, it was all legal and above board. You deserve everything you have won, every penny your club has earned, and I’m glad it’s all finally been adjudicated, even though the result is t the one I’d hoped for!”?

No, me either!

Rather, it’ll be “GUILTY, and the only reason you guys didn’t give them the documents was because they’d have proved it, right there and then! Everything you’ve won should have an asterisk attached, because everyone knows! Abu Dhabi fixed it!”

Writes itself!
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In short they already made up their mind regardless the result.

Haters gonna hate and City fans should grow thick their skin.
 
Isn’t it funny how certain people / organisations are so desperate for City to be guilty that they have decided that UEFA, who everyone spent years saying they were a corrupt organisation and are incompetent about everything, are actually 100% right about finding City guilty despite it being overturned in an independent hearing.

Now all of a sudden UEFA are more independent than CAS.
 
nmc said:
And our auditors didn’t see Etihad as a related party either… won’t that be a tough hurdle for the PL to scale retrospectively?
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The term Related Party is defined in the Imternational Accounting Standards (iAS) that FFP (both UEFA and PL versions), is based on. Specifically IAS 24.
The definition has been tightened over the years but only two of our smaller sponsorships are defined as 3rd parties - Elatisat and Arabar. Etihad is not a related party.
Then there is whether either sponsorship is NOT Fair value and it will take some doing for that to to be proven as there is a massive email trail with UEFA to prove that they are fair value.
There are areas of concern in the charges, but really, this isn't one.
99.9% of our detractors haven't a fucking clue what related party actually means. Strange really as they throw the term around like confetti.
 
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Dribble said:
On reflection, I'm starting to see Aspirin's remarks a little differently.

Knowing the British press & considering the Torygraph is fighting against an Abu Dhabi backed takeover, it seems Aspirin's quotes have been rearranged, had leading questions omitted, & journalistic licence added, which gives a wholly different context to the interview.

EG:

Possible Missing Question - "Why did you go ahead with your 2014 tribunal & find City guilty, when shortly after CAS found that most of the alleged breaches of Financial Fair Play regulations were “either not established or time-barred”? Why did CAS arrive at such different conclusions to UEFA on these points?"

Aspirin - "We know we were right. We wouldn't decide (to go ahead) if we didn’t think we were right."

Then Aspirin rounded up with: "You just simply have to respect in a serious democracy the decision of the court."

This suggests he accepted UEFA's appeal loss & accepted the decision of CAS.

Aspirin then goes on to say he doesn't really want to comment on the PL's ongoing case, because he doesn't really know what's going on.

On reflection, this piece seems like bullshit mischief making by the Torygraph, meant to cause further reputational damage to City, in a week where fans & onlookers are starting to seriously question FFP/PSR because of what's happening to Everton & Forest.

More & more people are also questioning why Newcastle (the richest club in the world with zero debt), aren't allowed to bolster their playing staff, & are facing Everton levels of sanctions, unless they flog half their squad.

FFP/PSR is unravelling & the Cartel Clubs aided & abetted by their client media are coming out swinging for dear life, to save themselves & the control they wield over the Premier League.
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In which case, Ceferin needs to come out and criticise the article, saying his comments have been twisted.
 
lancs blue said:
Are you kidding?? It doubles the joy every time we win a trophy because it hurts the red-shirted cunts that much.
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it doesn't actually not for me, and unless you haven't noticed the red-shirted cunts are winning the PR war wich was never a war and that pisses me off . I don't like it if my club I have supported and loved since 1977 is called cheats and it hurts like hell, you can call me soft and maybe I am but I am at braking point and I am very angry at the people who controls and owns our club for doing nothing about the way we are talked about.
These charges are to damaged our reputation and they have won that war.
 
Cityfan1977 said:
it doesn't actually not for me, and unless you haven't noticed the red-shirted cunts are winning the PR war wich was never a war and that pisses me off . I don't like it if my club I have supported and loved since 1977 is called cheats and it hurts like hell, you can call me soft and maybe I am but I am at braking point and I am very angry at the people who controls and owns our club for doing nothing about the way we are talked about.
These charges are to damaged our reputation and they have won that war.
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Matey

I got like this when waiting to go to CAS.

Its not worth getting so annoying, we as fans cant do anything, we are the meat in the butty.

My health suffered badly very badly but I took myself away from this thread. I ignored all the headlines that would pop up on my phone. If not at a match I would turn the tv on at ko.

The press/media want you to feel like you are, ignore the fuckers.

Enjoy are success, enjoy our football when feeling low watch some of our amazing games. Listen to some of the interviews that our amazing chairman has given.

Ignore the press/media you will feel better.
 
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