PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[DD]

Just to say there is no significant reputational damage to City. Number 1 brand in the World and still attracting big sponsorship deals from all over the planet.

What we are seeing is negative reporting which we feel is constant and incorrect, but to assume that equates to a financial reputational damage (which is how a court would measure it) isn’t correct.

It is also possible to give yourself a rest by not trying to fight a battle that can’t be won. City win everything and people are unhappy. I promise you that whatever you do or say will not change the story. People believe what they want to believe. Don’t go looking for negative reports and post them on here as it fuels the story which is all the press want…it’s how they make money.

If you really want to fight the battle then ignore it. Say you have a new dog and every night it barks. The temptation is to go and see it or let it sleep on your bed. If you ignore it the dog will learn. If you pander to it then the habit becomes entrenched. Picture the media and Simon Jordon as a barking dog and don’t invite them to sleep with you! Projectriver got the facts out there and he is in a position to do so. Stefan was brilliant but it won’t change anything In the long run.

I know it’s difficult but we are losing every time this thread is at the top of the Bluemoon forum. Nothing materially important will happen for over a year. I’m not saying it’s not extremely important but try not to get caught up in it daily.

Lastly nothing will change if we are found innocent so get used to it. The verdict is not the issue. This will only stop when Pep leaves and/or we stop winning so much.

You have a choice of winning and negative press OR losing and positive press.

You will not get winning and positive press consistently, ever. City themselves realise this which is why they choose to fight the battle where it matters and stay well away from the barking dog.

Only you can alter how all this affects you if you are tired and drained. Nobody can control how you think unless you let them.

The next time it winds you up remember….Woof!

Totally agreed.

I have to say that I'm not happy about the 1894 Group post on social media and all they have done is to whip up negative comments from our own fans to the club, which is exactly the sort of thing that the fans of other clubs want to see. Not for the first time, they've scored a spectacular own goal by not thinking through their action to consequence.

The club are in a protracted legal battle with the PL that is going to an 'independent' hearing. We have to be careful not to be accused of trying to prejudice the case. Let others sling mud and let's play things by the book.

What Ceferin has said is hardly news. UEFA found us guilty. CAS overturned the verdict. UEFA were hardly ever going to just throw their hands up and say, "oh alright, then, we admit, it was a kangaroo court, with a verdict based upon a whim". Like any prosecution case in a court that failed to get a conviction, they are always going to believe that they were right and there has been a miscarriage of justice.

I think we can all work out the drill here and how the press work. There's a huge storm about us at the moment that has purely come from the fact that the PL are about to charge Everton (again) and Forest. The Telegraph has decided to cash in on this by seeking out Ceferin for an interview and obtaining the quote they wanted, which he can freely give because UEFA are not involved in this particular case. However, if the PL are behind that, then it is they who are prejudicing the case.

The accusation from other fans is that we will get off because our legal team will be better than the PL's. The mantra from many of our fans is that the quality of our legal team will ensure that justice prevails. In our favour. It is that very same legal team that will be advising Manchester City not to comment upon the mud slinging. So, do we trust them or not?

Let's face it. All our enemies think we are guilty anyway, so what will a statement change? We are hot news in the FFPR department as we were 12 months ago, but the latest storm will soon blow away until the next time. This will crescendo again every couple of months from now until the verdict depending on other cases, so we can't expect City to keep on issuing statements each time. The mud will be slung anyway, so I feel the best course of action is just to maintain a dignified silence and believe that adhering to the process is the best course of action.

All that banning dissenters from the club will do is further add ammunition to those who say that we have something to hide. Corrupt regimes ban dissenters. And if we do so, that's the image that we will portray of ourselves. Even more so than the image we already have. It would play right into our enemies' hands.

The club knows what it is doing. Believe in them.

 

[JTFactsPlz]

Why worry about it,the club chairman and directors don’t seem to.

The club chairman and directors don't have to deal with abuse from rival fans down the pub, in work or just walking down the street, to be fair. Maybe they should try it rather than only breathing their own rarified air.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

Any future 'fan' put off by as yet unproved allegations of cheating so eagerly, were never going to be Manchester City fans to begin with.

And I wouldn't want any of them associated with us.

YOU may not want them to be 'associated' with us but I think you'll find the the does.

 

[Eric Hitchmough]

Totally agreed.

I have to say that I'm not happy about the 1894 Group post on social media and all they have done is to whip up negative comments from our own fans to the club, which is exactly the sort of thing that the fans of other clubs want to see. Not for the first time, they've scored a spectacular own goal by not thinking through their action to consequence.

With all due respect, 1894 are fighting a very lonely battle. Unlike other clubs we don’t have a Supporters’ Trust who can lobby, apply pressure, & represent and mobilise fans.

1894 articulated what a lot of us have been thinking, and if they don’t speak out nobody will.

 

[uwe rosler 28]

Totally agreed.

I have to say that I'm not happy about the 1894 Group post on social media and all they have done is to whip up negative comments from our own fans to the club, which is exactly the sort of thing that the fans of other clubs want to see. Not for the first time, they've scored a spectacular own goal by not thinking through their action to consequence.

The club are in a protracted legal battle with the PL that is going to an 'independent' hearing. We have to be careful not to be accused of trying to prejudice the case. Let others sling mud and let's play things by the book.

What Ceferin has said is hardly news. UEFA found us guilty. CAS overturned the verdict. UEFA were hardly ever going to just throw their hands up and say, "oh alright, then, we admit, it was a kangaroo court, with a verdict based upon a whim". Like any prosecution case in a court that failed to get a conviction, they are always going to believe that they were right and there has been a miscarriage of justice.

I think we can all work out the drill here and how the press work. There's a huge storm about us at the moment that has purely come from the fact that the PL are about to charge Everton (again) and Forest. The Telegraph has decided to cash in on this by seeking out Ceferin for an interview and obtaining the quote they wanted, which he can freely give because UEFA are not involved in this particular case. However, if the PL are behind that, then it is they who are prejudicing the case.

The accusation from other fans is that we will get off because our legal team will be better than the PL's. The mantra from many of our fans is that the quality of our legal team will ensure that justice prevails. In our favour. It is that very same legal team that will be advising Manchester City not to comment upon the mud slinging. So, do we trust them or not?

Let's face it. All our enemies think we are guilty anyway, so what will a statement change? We are hot news in the FFPR department as we were 12 months ago, but the latest storm will soon blow away until the next time. This will crescendo again every couple of months from now until the verdict depending on other cases, so we can't expect City to keep on issuing statements each time. The mud will be slung anyway, so I feel the best course of action is just to maintain a dignified silence and believe that adhering to the process is the best course of action.

All that banning dissenters from the club will do is further add ammunition to those who say that we have something to hide. Corrupt regimes ban dissenters. And if we do so, that's the image that we will portray of ourselves. Even more so than the image we already have. It would play right into our enemies' hands.

The club knows what it is doing. Believe in them.

As khaldoon said he has his opinions and he will give them when the time is right. Ie when the investigation is over.

 

[Saddleworth2]

I see that the Cerefin quotes are all over the Fail. What bloody chance do we have of being treated fairly when the head of European Football calls us cheats. I am heartedly sick of the club doing an impression of a doormat. They keep quiet about the disgraceful way our support was treated in Istanbul and are rewarded for their cooperation by this? I am speechless.

 

[Dribble]

From what you're saying it sounds very much that the club have pushed the boundaries on FFP but kept within the rules.

Essentially yes, & there's nothing illegal about that.

However UEFA/G14 started it. If they'd allowed us to develop our business as we stated was our intention, there'd be no need for us to look for legal ways around their bent & unfair FFP/PSR.

What a mess they've made of football in their pursuit of protecting the G14 & Spuds from being challenged on the pitch. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠⊙⁠_⁠ʖ⁠⊙⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

 

[CC1]

The club chairman and directors don't have to deal with abuse from rival fans down the pub, in work or just walking down the street, to be fair. Maybe they should try it rather than only breathing their own rarified air.

Trouble is mate, the media WANT the club to speak out so they can jump on every comment and twist it. It gives them loads more ammunition to write about day in day out.

look what they’ve done to the Ceferin comments - totally twisted, misreported & taken out of context.

By saying nothing, they can only repeat their own opinions & run out of new things to twist. PL look to be relying on bad publicity

 

[cookster]

With all due respect, 1894 are fighting a very lonely battle. Unlike other clubs we don’t have a Supporters’ Trust who can lobby, apply pressure, & represent and mobilise fans.

1894 articulated what a lot of us have been thinking, and if they don’t speak out nobody will.

Correct.
Look at the difference between how LFC backed their fans in Paris, and how our club have washed its hand on how we were treated in Istanbul.
Complete disconnect between the club and fans.

 

[Blueroses]

Shady bunch these attacks on us is went up tenfold since we won quintuple. Smear campaign looks like they have hard to coming round to the fact their favourite teams didn’t reach our levels.

It’s fear we will dominate years to come and this is all they can do because we all know how things went down on pitch against all biggest teams in Europe.

Sooner they accept we are here to stay they will get to the last stage of the grieving process sooner. Between 1 and 2 at moment acceptance in due time.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Trouble is mate, the media WANT the club to speak out so they can jump on every comment and twist it. It gives them loads more ammunition to write about day in day out.

look what they’ve done to the Ceferin comments - totally twisted, misreported & taken out of context.

By saying nothing, they can only repeat their own opinions & run out of new things to twist. PL look to be relying on bad publicity

Veterinary comments weren't taken out of context from what I saw. Has anyone got the original interview because from what I have read he's laid into City.

I'm aware of how the media twist truth but this seems to be not one of them.

 

[mancboy]

from what i have read and maybe i have no read it all, all he is basically saying is that they believed in the case but they accept the courts decision, im not really sure what else he is supposed to say, he cant exactly say we knew we had nothing from the beginning but we wasted everyones time because madrid and barca were really really scared, it would be absolutely career suicide.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Correct.
Look at the difference between how LFC backed their fans in Paris, and how our club have washed its hand on how we were treated in Istanbul.
Complete disconnect between the club and fans.

Liverpool have the media's ear. We don't. It's a simple as that.

Look at the linesman non-flag injuries we suffered... if that was utd or lfc the rules world have been changed by now, because its City nothing.


Listen guys, our rivals are not ever going to give up trolling us about it. Never. The best way, the only way to deal with them is to tell them their pain about this is wonderful. It's tearing their life apart and it makes you even more happy.

But don't EVER engage with their arguments, just GLOAT at their pain, it shuts them up.

 

[Rory Bluelow]

Either Mansour should ask for an immediate resignation of Ceferin or we should state openly we now support the Super League and our owner is exploring finance from his pals to start the Super League
Surely this is prejudicial re the PL charges

I get the feeling Ceferin has been mugged off by the the Telegraph for a headline/sound bite in the same way Stefan Borson was by Talkshite…only even worse imo.

 

[Bez]

Ceferin was right, but the evidence was time barred…

…is what the twatter experts will tell you.

Twatter experts all have raspberry jelly inside their skulls.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

from what i have read and maybe i have no read it all, all he is basically saying is that they believed in the case but they accept the courts decision, im not really sure what else he is supposed to say, he cant exactly say we knew we had nothing from the beginning but we wasted everyones time because madrid and barca were really really scared, it would be absolutely career suicide.

He could have NOT said that tbf.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

You only have to look at the number of City fans who turned up for our games on the Far East tour last summer and the American tour the summer before to know that many fans - and in particular non-UK based fans - don't give a shit about the allegations. Even a lot of non-UK based fans who support clubs who we perceive to be direct rivals have a certain amount of admiration for our football.

Foreign/International fans love City's football and our star name players.

I undertake regular International travel and we are the 'big news'

It's radically different in England.

When we were regularly getting beaten by an excellent Arse Burton team,I and many other City fans publicly acknowledged their quality including applauding them at Maine Rd DURING & AFTER a 0- 5 thumping.

We are far superior to that Arse team nut we rarely if ever receive the plaudits that they did !!

Cheats...money bags City...oil money...buying success...no istree...

Day after dripping day,TV,radio,papers,magazines,again,again,again,hour after hour,day after day,week after fecking year.

Drip,drip fecking drip.

Like water dripping onto stone, it makes a lasting impression so much so that's its now fashionable to dislike City,it's a national football obsession !!

 

[Centurions]

I don't believe the CAS judgement revealed very much else by way of evidence presented by UEFA.

Neither UEFA (perhaps surprisingly) nor CAS would be publishing any evidence from either side due to confidentiality issues. The hacked emails were in the public domain.

I had a quick look at this Telegraph piece and all I could see was that Ceferin stated that UEFA thought we were guilty which given the 2 year ban is pretty much self evident? As usual they'd been clever in how they've presented it to generate clicks and possible subscriptions and as usual, far too many have put their foot in the trap. Honestly, some of you must walk around slavering with rage. Personally speaking I couldn't give a shit what they write.

 

[mancboy]

He could have NOT said that tbf.

he could and should not have said anything in the grand scheme of things but thats a failure on him to even take the interview, i actually think in the grand scheme of things this is going to go much deeper than an independent commission as the pl have got themselves into a battle they know they effectively cant win and are trying every single they can to extricate themselves from it.

 

[CC1]

Veterinary comments weren't taken out of context from what I saw. Has anyone got the original interview because from what I have read he's laid into City.

I'm aware of how the media twist truth but this seems to be not one of them.

as far as I can see, he was just defending UEFA‘s decision to charge us. He had to say he felt UEFA were right. Not once did he say CAS were wrong in their findings.
Telegraph wanted something to twist