Rishi Sunak

mackenzie said:
It has an impact on me, as a woman.

I don't care to be called "a woman who menstruates" or anything similar. I'm a woman---an adult human female. I'm not some sub category.
I don't (and won't) want to have to insert my preferred pronoun on my signature email at work. I'm a woman. That's it.


I don't want to have biological men competing in sports against my female counterparts. It's unfair and ridiculous.
I don't want biological men telling me I'm a bigot because I don't accept they are the same as me.

I don't want to share the same toilet as a biological man.

I don't want to impede any other persons way of living, but I'm damn sure they shouldn't be allowed to impede on mine either.
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Good for you, totally agree with you
 
Avoid the Royal Exchange Theatre, which has a big notice telling you to use the toilet you feel comfortable in. So a woman can walk in the Gents if she feels 'comfortable'. This must be legal under current law, which makes me wonder if (like so many things) the usual arrangements are just a convention and not enforceable.

In fairness, I do think this is a legitimate concern - if it encourages men to enter the room to molest women. I have an idea though that the really dangerous men don't put on a dress, and certainly would not allow the normal conventions to stop them.
 
BrianW said:
In fairness, I do think this is a legitimate concern - if it encourages men to enter the room to molest women. I have an idea though that the really dangerous men don't put on a dress, and certainly would not allow the normal conventions to stop them.
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Tell that to the women attacked in Scotland by the geezer pretending to be a woman who Krankie wanted to send to a woman's prison.
 
mackenzie said:
I never use a bus or a train. Planes? I go in because it's one person use at a time.

Many other toilet facilities, and changing rooms in shops, are communal.
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And they are mostly private cubicles, so you don't have to see naked oddballs walking about.

The communal facilities at both my local swimming pools are far more suitable for families, single fathers can take their young daughters swimming without having to change in an open changing room with adult men.

They also have bars over the top over the top of cubicles to prevent peeping by pervs.

Excluding supermarkets most shops don't have toilets, other than at a bar or restaurant, cafe etc there isn't usually one for public use.
 
mackenzie said:
Thank you.
Makes a difference from those who like a little sniggering about such things.
They wouldn't dare do it with someone who was transgender.
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I fully understand your concern about the toilet situation, I think it’s fair to ask questions. I’m also 100% behind you when it comes to the sporting side. It makes a mockery of things and doesn’t help the trans cause tbh.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
And they are mostly private cubicles, so you don't have to see naked oddballs walking about.

The communal facilities at both my local swimming pools are far more suitable for families, single fathers can take their young daughters swimming without having to change in an open changing room with adult men.

They also have bars over the top over the top of cubicles to prevent peeping by pervs.

Excluding supermarkets most shops don't have toilets, other than at a bar or restaurant, cafe etc there isn't usually one for public use.
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With all due respect....it isn't up to you what I should feel comfortable or uncomfortable about.
 
Tail. Wagging. Dog.

HR forced pronouns on us.

Mine is "it" - they haven't figured out a way to challenge that yet.
 
Phil1 said:
I fully understand your concern about the toilet situation, I think it’s fair to ask questions. I’m also 100% behind you when it comes to the sporting side. It makes a mockery of things and doesn’t help the trans cause tbh.
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I'm no activist. It just makes my blood boil when men pontificate about what women should be prepared to accept.
 
maxwellblue said:
Tell that to the women attacked in Scotland by the geezer pretending to be a woman who Krankie wanted to send to a woman's prison.
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If a biological male presents successfully as a woman, how would you know s(he) was not actually a woman, short of examining private parts? I'm not talking about men dressed like Les Dawson used to be in sketches, but people who pass as women to the casual view. Such people exist and it's a short-price bet they have been quietly using ladies' toilets for years.

Look, I know this is an emotional issue, and hard to navigate without being unjust to someone. Women face all kinds of unfair pressure due to a minority of men who are twats. Most of these men present as male and often as very male. How we protect women from abhorrent men is an issue in itself and it deserves far greater resources than are allocated. I'd be surprised, though, if this was the most serious issue. Many women are raped by men they know well, including family members. How many rape cases are brought to a successful conclusion? A disgracefully small proportion.
 
hilts said:
Lots of things don't affect us personally it's a bad argument. In fact one of our main problems is people vote out of self interest and don't give a stuff about others .

Anyhow Sunak showed a lack of political nouse to go along with his incompetence.

Starmer just put on one of his many faces.
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True to a point, but when an argument about how people are allowed to identify themselves, and what rights they should have and how that affects another part of society, in this case mainly women,is as delicate and nuanced as this is, looking from outside as I am and seeing reasonable points on both sides. Who should decide what works best for all those concerned. Me that is unaffected or those that understand their positions and the consequences of any changes far better.
My point isn’t that I don’t have a view because it doesn’t affect me, I don’t have a definite view because I don’t understand enough about it to say what rights people should have, I do do have the view that all trans people should have rights, and we can’t say people are binary men and women and all laws and rights should only be for those born as men and women.I also have the view people have the right to be known by whatever pronoun they feel comfortable with.
Probably a clumsy explanation, but it was’t a case of it doesn’t affect me so I’m not interested.
 
This will end in a humiliating climbdown so he can hang on by his fingertips until the Easter recess - I wonder have they ever thought governing the country might improve their prospects rather than cracking tasteless "jokes", making stupid statements and being evasive?

 
This had real "I'd do this as a powerpoint but we sold the microfiche to a donor for £1 and have tried doing it on Windows 98 but the dial up is too slow today so I'll do it on a flipchart and show you all as much as I can remember - wish me luck " vibes

 
Mr Kobayashi said:
How is it? Why is hearing a male take a dump worse?
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Don't be silly.
I've heard many a male "take a dump."
I've even changed my son's nappy when he was a baby, and seen things as he got into his teens that are part of the growing up of a young male.
That isn't the point, but I think you know that.
 
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