F1 2024 season

jimharri said:
Look; I understand the hatred for MV. The way he won his first title, depriving a British driver, was always likely to rub Hamilton fans up the wrong way. Perfectly understandable. Also; he does come across as arrogant, and not easy to like. But as far as I know (which isn't very far), he, or Horner, didn't write that rule about the safety car on that night at the Yas Marina circuit in 2021. Would Mercedes have done the same if the roles were reversed? Of course they would. And even if Hamilton had held on, and clinched the title, it was only likely to delay the inevitable by a year. MV has pretty much sleepwalked to the next two championships.
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I'm very surprised Mercedes didn't call Hamilton in for fresh tyres during the safety car, like virtually everyone else did. Thise tyres made the difference, and the way they'd built up the race, both drivers on equal points, to end the race on a safety car would have seen a major backlash. Ideally, they should have red flagged the race, cleared Latifi, and then restarted with 5 laps of racing.

But that's by the by. I do find Max to be an arrogant arse, but he clearly has talent to make the car work for him and is winning, regularly by a huge margin. I don't have a dog in the Abu Dhabi drama fight, neither being a Max or Lewis fan, but i've rarely given it a second thought. To assume that dangerous driving is part of Max's DNA whilst ignoring Lewis's own controversial moments (of which there have been MANY) makes no sense to me.
 
waspish said:
Oh yeah get it's RB turn now was Hamilton this dominant or people saying now that verstappen looks like will win every race he is in
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The Mercedes was dominant. Drivers couldn't get close to Bottas either.
 
Metal Biker said:
..... I do find Max to be an arrogant arse......
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A lot of those you posted earlier could be classed the same way. Even Hamilton; it may not be arrogance per se, but there's something about him that I can't properly define. Aloofness (made up word?), maybe. Plenty of the great F1 drivers in the last 30 or so years were "arrogant" to a greater or lesser degree. Schumacher, Senna, Prost, Vettel, Rosberg (jnr), Alonso, even Mansell (that might have been the accent, mind!). Maybe that's what gives them the edge. "Nice guys don't win", right?
 
jimharri said:
A lot of those you posted earlier could be classed the same way. Even Hamilton; it may not be arrogance per se, but there's something about him that I can't properly define. Aloofness (made up word?), maybe. Plenty of the great F1 drivers in the last 30 or so years were "arrogant" to a greater or lesser degree. Schumacher, Senna, Prost, Vettel, Rosberg (jnr), Alonso, even Mansell (that might have been the accent, mind!). Maybe that's what gives them the edge. "Nice guys don't win", right?
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I've always preferred the Hill, Hakkinen, Alonso, Raikkonen and Rosberg champions myself.

As for Hamilton, I personally go with arrogance. And that endless whining of his; "the tyres, he pushed me off, he gave me no room..." went off him after 2015.
 
Metal Biker said:
I've always preferred the Hill, Hakkinen, Alonso, Raikkonen and Rosberg champions myself.

As for Hamilton, I personally go with arrogance. And that endless whining of his; "the tyres, he pushed me off, he gave me no room..." went off him after 2015.
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Hill did come across as an okay bloke. And Barrichello (and I got that right without first googling it!) seemed alright. And yes; I know he wasn't a world champion! Ditto Ricciardo, though the permanent grin could wear thin!
 
jimharri said:
Hill did come across as an okay bloke. And Barrichello (and I got that right without first googling it!) seemed alright. And yes; I know he wasn't a world champion! Ditto Ricciardo, though the permanent grin could wear thin!
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Hakkinen was something special. Barrichello couldn't be allowed to progress in that Ferrari team. One I also feel for was Mark Webber. Could have been champion at least once and seemed like a decent bloke.
 
Metal Biker said:
Hakkinen was something special. Barrichello couldn't be allowed to progress in that Ferrari team. One I also feel for was Mark Webber. Could have been champion at least once and seemed like a decent bloke.
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Can’t be easy being the number two driver in a team. Yeah; the money is good. But they'll never get the glory the main guy gets.
 
Metal Biker said:
He wouldn't need to, his car is so much faster than anyone else's right now.

I'm not a fan of Max's but come on, let the hate go and move on with your life.
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He's matured in the last year or so (or more like he doesn't really have to fight currently) but before that he was at Romain Grosjean levels of psychotically dangerous driving on a regular basis.
 
Metal Biker said:
Hakkinen was something special. Barrichello couldn't be allowed to progress in that Ferrari team. One I also feel for was Mark Webber. Could have been champion at least once and seemed like a decent bloke.
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Webber is/was the kind of bloke I'd love to have a pint with but was lacking that extra bit of killer instinct that marks out the wheat from the chaff.

I feel exactly the same way about Bottas in the current crop of drivers.
 
jimharri said:
Can’t be easy being the number two driver in a team. Yeah; the money is good. But they'll never get the glory the main guy gets.
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Which is why nxt season, is going to be spicy as hell!
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
Webber is/was the kind of bloke I'd love to have a pint with but was lacking that extra bit of killer instinct that marks out the wheat from the chaff.

I feel exactly the same way about Bottas in the current crop of drivers.
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Proper car guy. But more V8 Supercars.
 
So far there’s again no team bridging the gap to RB. Pity with Verstappen head and shoulders the best driver driving for RB as well. It will be another boring F1 season as so many in the past. It’s too much clean racing as well. Do the cars even get dirty you wonder. Anyways it’s still up to other teams and drivers to make it more exciting.
 
Gray said:
What an utter Borefest.
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Did you think? I’m interested to see what the consensus of opinion is on yesterday as I enjoyed it.

Obviously the winner was predictable and Sky barely even mentioned his name or showed a clip of Max all race, but I found the midfield quite an interesting race, particularly with Norris going long and the battle between Lewis and Piastri. McLaren really do have more than half a car and are knocking on the door of the top 3, it’s an amazing turnaround from where they were a year ago.

And the young kid in the Ferrari picking his way through the field was very impressive.

Not loads of drama and crashes which I know some people like but for an old school F1 fan like me there was a lot to take from yesterday.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
Did you think? I’m interested to see what the consensus of opinion is on yesterday as I enjoyed it.

Obviously the winner was predictable and Sky barely even mentioned his name or showed a clip of Max all race, but I found the midfield quite an interesting race, particularly with Norris going long and the battle between Lewis and Piastri. McLaren really do have more than half a car and are knocking on the door of the top 3, it’s an amazing turnaround from where they were a year ago.

And the young kid in the Ferrari picking his way through the field was very impressive.

Not loads of drama and crashes which I know some people like but for an old school F1 fan like me there was a lot to take from yesterday.
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No one else is winning, that can’t be good for the product.
 
Just caught up with the race as I was out last night.

Brilliant race from Bearman. What an achievement! Called up at late notice and a tough car and track. Take a bow young man.
 
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