Middle East Conflict

robbieh said:
Talk about deliberately misconstruing what I said.
A better life for immigrants does not involve them taking over the country politically, militarily and expelling the former inhabitants.
None if which is happening in the UK.

But you knew all that and just decided to go ahead with your half thought out post.
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No, your views are exactly the same as Trump, Farage and Braverman. Just different immigrants. Read what you wrote again and stop trying to deflect.
 
Vic said:
No settlements, no apartheid wall, no Zionist claim to the West Bank, no occupation, a Palestinian state instead, and Hamas would not exist. (Whether Hezbollah would is arguable, depending on whether Israel was much to do with its foundation in Lebanon.)

No guarantee of a lasting peace. But no October 7th, and no genocide in Gaza, and Israel still seen as a legitimate moral entity. (I'm still holding to that but it's getting harder.)

That was what might have been but for the idea that a homeland for the Jewish people meant displacement of the Arab population (Muslim and Christian).

As for now, I think you either want a lasting peace, or you side with Netanyahu and the right-wing extremists and create new enemies for Israel (including "Western" public opinion).
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So other than Israel has to give everything up, you really have no clue if that leads to peace or any other real ideas Vic?

What would you do with Iran who are obviously bank rolling and arming its proxies against Israel and its citizens? The Islamist regime is adamant that the state of Israel can not exist at all. Do you agree with that sentiment? If not, how do you expect Israel to deal with a threat like that when that threat is actively being pursued via organisations like Hamas and Hezbollah?
 
blueinsa said:
So other than Israel has to give everything up, you really have no clue if that leads to peace or any other real ideas Vic?

What would you do with Iran who are obviously bank rolling and arming its proxies against Israel and its citizens? The Islamist regime is adamant that the state of Israel can not exist at all. Do you agree with that sentiment? If not, how do you expect Israel to deal with a threat like that when that threat is actively being pursued via organisations like Hamas and Hezbollah?
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I thought you said it was a serious question.
 
Vic said:
I thought you said it was a serious question.
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You have no answers Vic.

Seriousness isn’t being done on this thread and never will be.

Hamas and Hezbollah need to go, as does Netanyahu and future right wing Israeli governments but so too does the Iranian regime and the Islamists in the region who will never stop wanting an end to Israel as a state.
 
blueinsa said:
You have no answers Vic.

Seriousness isn’t being done on this thread and never will be.

Hamas and Hezbollah need to go, as does Netanyahu and future right wing Israeli governments but so too does the Iranian regime and the Islamists in the region who will never stop wanting an end to Israel as a state.
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Hamas and Hezbollah are as much as a creation of Israel as they are of Iran but I’m sure you know the history of those two groups.
 
BayernMan said:
Hamas and Hezbollah are as much as a creation of Israel as they are of Iran but I’m sure you know the history of those two groups.
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In the case of Hamas, it is as much a creation of Netanyahu and several other influential far-right Israeli entities as it is one of purely terrorist origins.

Hamas, as we know it today, simply does not exist without Netanyahu.
 
Didn't Hamas attack Israel? Which is why we are where we are?

I'm not saying Israel are correct. And Hamas possibly had their reasons. But similarily i wouldn't go up to a lion in the wild and kick it in the bollocks and expect it to be fine.

There has to be a peaceful way of sorting this. The region needs sorting for good.

I am on neither side in this conflict. It's crap.
 
BayernMan said:
Hamas and Hezbollah are as much as a creation of Israel as they are of Iran but I’m sure you know the history of those two groups.
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Iran also used to be an Israel ally.

We are where we are. What needs to change and happen for a lasting peace to be a acheivable option?

Hamas and Hezbollah needs to go, as does Netanyahu and others who would govern in a similar fashion and the whole region, Iran especially needs to accept the state of Israel is t going anywhere.
 
I've just been reading an article about Iran's views on this. Up to this point, since their revolution, they have been against a two state solution as Palestinians only have 20% (Gaza and WB)of original Palestine and in addition the WB is filled with illegal settlements.

They have favoured a one state solution, made up of Moslems, Jews and Christians.

They are not talking about pushing Jews into the sea.

amwaj.media

Deep Dive: Is Iran shifting its stance against the two-state solution?

The story: In Iran, there are indications of a potential shift in how a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is approached. The Islamic Republic has long advocated a referendum by the “original people” of Palestine which is expected to result in a single state for people of all...
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Make of it what you will but it certainly seems a more credible news source than the Daily Mail.
 
Postman Pep said:
Facts on the ground dressed up as a 'humanitarian intervention'.

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Doesn't surprise me. It they wanted to deliver food there were easier ways to do it.

Always thought it was being built to evacuate Palestinians to somewhere else. Maybe Rwanda would be interested
 
robbieh said:
I've just been reading an article about Iran's views on this. Up to this point, since their revolution, they have been against a two state solution as Palestinians only have 20% (Gaza and WB)of original Palestine and in addition the WB is filled with illegal settlements.

They have favoured a one state solution, made up of Moslems, Jews and Christians.

They are not talking about pushing Jews into the sea.

amwaj.media

Deep Dive: Is Iran shifting its stance against the two-state solution?

The story: In Iran, there are indications of a potential shift in how a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is approached. The Islamic Republic has long advocated a referendum by the “original people” of Palestine which is expected to result in a single state for people of all...
amwaj.media amwaj.media

Make of it what you will but it certainly seems a more credible news source than the Daily Mail.
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That one state solution means the end of the state of Israel.

That is never happening.
 
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