England v Brazil | Friendly | Match Thread

[grifter]

I’m no fan of Southgate and it was a dreadful match last night. But we were missing Saka, Kane, Shaw and Walker (for large parts) last night. They’re all key players for England and we’re bound to look a bit blunt without the record scorer - who whether you like him or not has been great for England recently and is undoubtedly one of the best in the world.

Southgate will be in charge in the summer and he will continue to pick his chums like Maguire, who in fairness have done decent in an England shirt on the whole. There’s no point panicking at this stage but if we don’t go one step further and win it this year its surely then time to roll the dice on the manager front.

 

[urban genie]

Its not fucking hard though unless you are southgate, with the players he has presently

4-3-3 possesion based and pressing attack

‐---------------------Pickford--------------------
walker---stones----mcguire---gomez
--------------------------rice-----------------------
---------------foden--------bellingham----
-----palmer-----watkins-------gordon---

Both Phil and Jude track back and are good at recovering the ball so 2 DM are no needed, plus stones can drop in alongside rice when we are pressing forward, while walker and gomez are capable in a 3 or covering CB if needed.

If Saka and Grealish were fit and kane avalable they replace the front 3 as first choice

 

[hilts]

U can't win big international games if you have players on the pitch unable to make simple passes and keep the ball. England desperately need a number 6. Rice is an 8 he's an emergency 6 but so much better playing at 8 he's not a player to keep the ball moving dictate play or be a deep lying playmaker. You can't have players like Connor Gallagher in your team how many times did he just kick the ball out of play last night? He ran around like a headless chicken and brazil just played around him. I'm all for pressing but it has to be done in the right times and zones. Chilwell is also woeful in possession and defending same as Maguire. So as much as people say this is the best England team/squad in 50 years they are still miles off being a great international team. And don't even get me on to the clown picking the team and tactics!!! The quicker he rocks up at the old toilet the better hopefully before the euros.

The sven lot were a much better squad than this lot especially in defence. The manager is also at a gets sacked at a championship club level.

 

[Gordyola]

Pep but even someone like him needs a time and will not be an immediate impact for national team atleast in early days.

Don't believe he would, he has the basis of a team with the City players in the squad there are plenty of others in the squad who play for clubs who attempt the Pep way His biggest issue would be the GK. The difference between Pep and the clown is he spends time creating a plan for the game this is always an adaption of his philosophy whereas the clown who has one way and doesn't adapt anything

 

[Crooked_rain]

I just find the way England play to be utterly negative and boring. Is that the fault of the players, or something else?

I don't think it's the players

Southgate doesn't seem to adjust game plan for opponents. Not that you need to deviate from what you do too much but you still have to make little adjustments. At City we have a style of play and then Pep makes adjustments within that framework based on who we play.

England just seem to have one extremely rigid style of play which is fine when coming up against inferior players. Doesn't work so well against similar level teams with a coach that knows how to make little adjustments ti get the upper hand. Then you start seeing now rigid and boring England are because Southgate has no tactical variation.

 

[Gordyola]

Its not fucking hard though unless you are southgate, with the players he has presently

4-3-3 possesion based and pressing attack

‐---------------------Pickford--------------------
walker---stones----mcguire---gomez
--------------------------rice-----------------------
---------------foden--------bellingham----
-----palmer-----watkins-------gordon---

Both Phil andnJude track back and are good at recover8ngnthe ball so 2 DM are no needed, plus stones can drop in alongside rice when we are pressing forward, while walker and gomez are capable in a 3 or covering CB if needed.

If Saka and Grealish were fit and kane avalable they replace the front 3 are first choice

Apart from McGuire that team with first choice front three almost picks it self Foden and Bellingham next to each other are the first names on the team sheet Do have doubts about Pickford though

 

[urban genie]

Apart from McGuire that team with first choice front three almost picks it self Foden and Bellingham next to each other are the first names on the team sheet Do have doubts about Pickford though

Not a pickford fan(he's wank tbf), but ramsdales confidence must be shot a little with his sidelining by arteta and with Pope out not much choice.

As for McGuire, there is a strong case to promote Braithwaite, however Southgate won't drop slabhead so threw him in as srandard

 

[Crooked_rain]

Pep but even someone like him needs a time and will not be an immediate impact for national team atleast in early days.

Well people assume Pep would want to implement his own style, which might not work well given the time you get available at international level

But thats underestimating Pep and assuming he only knows his way. He has his way because he can at clubs, but this is a football genius, I'm certain he would go into an international team and tournament with a much more suitable and realistic plan to fit it. He would already understand that he can't do what he does at club level.

 

[Blue Calx]

Phil has to play in front of Bellingham in the number 10 role.

 

[heslops barnet]

After trawling through a few pages the consensus is that waistcoat is shite ….

 

[Crooked_rain]

Amazing collection of players ?
I dont rate Southgate one bit but this idea that the current England squad is full of special players is wide of the mark

I agree with this

Kane, Foden, Bellingham and Stones are the only England players I'd consider excellent players in terms of ability. They don't know how to use Foden though.

Rice is good but I wouldn't put him in that bracket, same with the current version of Walker. Saka too. Fine players but not outstanding.

Most of the others just sit somewhere between pretty decent and shite.

People would have you believe we have the best players in Europe in every position. Far from it.

 

[hilts]

Sadly I think you’re right. Hopefully when England are out this **** loses his job…I won’t hold my breath though because those old and out of touch cunts at the FA actually rate him…madness

All depends on how many shit teams we get before anyone decent knocks us out.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Southgate has found some positives - the appearance of new faces! But I can only think that the only thing the new faces did was 'appear'!

 

[hilts]

1 more friendly before waistcoat announces his euro squad yet he's still picking Maguire , rashford and hendo who have all done fuck all to justify their place in the squad

In fairness the brave Hendo tried to change a repressive regime from within before giving up after 3 minutes and fleeing to Holland.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

U can't win big international games if you have players on the pitch unable to make simple passes and keep the ball. England desperately need a number 6. Rice is an 8 he's an emergency 6 but so much better playing at 8 he's not a player to keep the ball moving dictate play or be a deep lying playmaker. You can't have players like Connor Gallagher in your team how many times did he just kick the ball out of play last night? He ran around like a headless chicken and brazil just played around him. I'm all for pressing but it has to be done in the right times and zones. Chilwell is also woeful in possession and defending same as Maguire. So as much as people say this is the best England team/squad in 50 years they are still miles off being a great international team. And don't even get me on to the clown picking the team and tactics!!! The quicker he rocks up at the old toilet the better hopefully before the euros.

There's a guy playing for Ajax, and he's English, well, he's from Sunderland!

 

[urban genie]

I agree with this

Kane, Foden, Bellingham and Stones are the only England players I'd consider excellent players in terms of ability. They don't know how to use Foden though.

Rice is good but I wouldn't put him in that bracket, same with the current version of Walker. Saka too. Fine players but not outstanding.

Most of the others just sit somewhere between pretty decent and shite.

People would have you believe we have the best players in Europe in every position. Far from it.

We've had better squads overall in the past, but this is the first generation of younger players trained with better technical ability in mind, Southgate a school of coaching that does not use them properly.

The palyers you mention if used right will mean you can have a mcguire or rice doing the bog standard stuff and not having to be world beaters or greatest ever.

You mould your team around the best players, Pep does it by makimg our second choice adapt to his style and pisscan did it for years where a lot of his teams were half good player along side bang average donkeys, even klopp does it.

Southgare is like a pochetino, can give him a good squad but ultimately he is useless in making them great.

 

[hilts]

8 long years and still hasn’t got a clue, I will drive this useless fucker to the rags. Not winning anything with him in charge.

Please don't do that you would fall asleep at the wheel, buy him a train ticket.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Agree watching international football is getting more like watching conference league level. Piss poor standard.

The only players from that England squad that would get into the City squad already play for City.

The pl is great because we can take players from all over the world so the standard is high. Just imagine the standard of the pl with just English players lol

It’s funny because if that’s the case why does Southgate get so much shit ? If he’s pool of players are average/bad then how is he taking them to semi finals/finals and has one of the highest % wins of all time for England.

I’d say we have a very good pool of players and a few world class ones, we should be amongst the favourites to win tournaments but there’s no guarantees ever - especially one major tournament only every 2-4 years.

As for the ‘entertainment’ angle, international football just will never beat PL level - so people should just lower their expectations on that front. Plus it’s also subjective.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Southgate has found some positives - the appearance of new faces! But I can only think that the only thing the new faces did was 'appear'!

 

[dickie davies]

I agree with this

Kane, Foden, Bellingham and Stones are the only England players I'd consider excellent players in terms of ability. They don't know how to use Foden though.

Rice is good but I wouldn't put him in that bracket, same with the current version of Walker. Saka too. Fine players but not outstanding.

Most of the others just sit somewhere between pretty decent and shite.

People would have you believe we have the best players in Europe in every position. Far from it.

Countries with far lesser players have won tournaments, so it's about maximising what you have
Is the waistcoat up to that!