Ref Watch City Games - 2023/24

Blue Mist said:
I accept what you are saying, he expected a free flowing game but if a top referee cannot change his pre match thoughts, he should not be refereeing. That clip above, the same player commits 2 fouls. Neither resulted in a free kick. There was no obvious advantage after the first but I will accept he wanted the game to flow. After the second foul, its a free kick and a yellow. All day every day.
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Can't argue with any of that. Maybe that's why he either looks like a good referee or a terrible one. How many times has he lost control of a high profile game?

I just don't see why this performance would have been deliberately anti-City.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Can't argue with any of that. Maybe that's why he either looks like a good referee or a terrible one. How many times has he lost control of a high profile game?

I just don't see why this performance would have been deliberately anti-City.
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Because Sky, who dictate everything, want a different winner. Arsenal or The Dippers, (they would prefer it to be dips)
 
halfcenturyup said:
I'm not a PGMOL apologist at all as you know, but I tried a while ago to explain what I think happened.

To summarise, he expected a game between two evenly matched teams playing the same sort of game, so he decided before the game to let things go in the expectation that he could do the same, consistently with both teams. His problem was that he didn't read the game. It was clear pretty quickly that it wasn't City vs Arsenal of last year, it was akin to City vs Brentford. He didn't realise that quickly enough, if at all, and so he mismanaged the game. Probably why he handles games either well, when he gets it right, or loses control of so many games, when he doesn't. Not understanding a game isn't a good look for a referee.

I don't believe for a minute that he was out to "get" City. That job is done. The PL has its title race and will have now to the end of the season. No need any more.
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I don't understand why referees need a game plan. Just referee according to the Laws of the Game, and all will be well. The players will know where they stand. The managers will know what's going on and plan accordingly. The assistants will have a much clearer understanding of what's happening. The crowd will appreciate it. Everyone will accept the decisions and the game will be much better for it.

Also, Taylor is supposed to be our best referee. He shouldn't need a plan. He should referee what's in front of him and let the players adapt.

Who did his plan benefit? Arsenal. If yellow cards were issued correctly, many of their players would have had to adapt their games in order not to receive a second yellow.

The next time he referees us, he will probably revert to strict mode, and caution Rodri for his first foul, leaving him walking the proverbial tightrope for 80 odd minutes.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Can't argue with any of that. Maybe that's why he either looks like a good referee or a terrible one. How many times has he lost control of a high profile game?

I just don't see why this performance would have been deliberately anti-City.
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Once he was appointed for this game I knew he would ruin a potentially great game.He didn't disappoint!.
 
halfcenturyup said:
I'm not a PGMOL apologist at all as you know, but I tried a while ago to explain what I think happened.

To summarise, he expected a game between two evenly matched teams playing the same sort of game, so he decided before the game to let things go in the expectation that he could do the same, consistently with both teams. His problem was that he didn't read the game. It was clear pretty quickly that it wasn't City vs Arsenal of last year, it was akin to City vs Brentford. He didn't realise that quickly enough, if at all, and so he mismanaged the game. Probably why he handles games either well, when he gets it right, or loses control of so many games, when he doesn't. Not understanding a game isn't a good look for a referee.

I don't believe for a minute that he was out to "get" City. That job is done. The PL has its title race and will have now to the end of the season. No need any more.
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I think this is a very generous assessment.
 
Blue Mist said:
Because Sky, who dictate everything, want a different winner. Arsenal or The Dippers, (they would prefer it to be dips)
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I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but I don't see it going that far. We will see tomorrow night, I suppose. Villa and Spurs are the two banana skins left.

I will come back to apologise if we get shafted :)
 
Roachy said:
Possibly, but let's not kid ourselves that our league position is down to us and us alone.
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It certainly is...awful performance at Wolves - got nowt - say at least a point dropped. 2 goal lead chucked away against an extremely poor Palace team 2 points dropped. Failure to kill teams off when we were battering them 4 points alone from the murderers and spuds matches.
 
halfcenturyup said:
I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but I don't see it going that far. We will see tomorrow night, I suppose. Villa and Spurs are the two banana skins left.

I will come back to apologise if we get shafted :)
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Can you provide any explanation why no cards were given in the above clip where 3 fouls in 30 seconds were done, plus, do you believe Taylor would have booked a Brentford player who did that against Bournemouth?
If you answer yes to the last question, please tell me the difference.
 
Taylor sees what he wants to see, and once again I will use the example of our game at West Ham two years ago.
It was 2-2 with about 15 minutes left and Raz (I think) was fouled in the area. Taylor eventually gave the pen after going to the monitor, unfortunately FFS's shot was saved.
But the interesting bit was the VAR evidence: During the wait the foul was shown from about 8 angles and it looked nailed on from each one. The bit that condemns Taylor is that about six of those angles showed he was sufficiently close to the action to have a great view of it being a foul rather than a clean tackle. So why didn't he award the penalty in the first place?
 
East Level 2 said:
Taylor sees what he wants to see, and once again I will use the example of our game at West Ham two years ago.
It was 2-2 with about 15 minutes left and Raz (I think) was fouled in the area. Taylor eventually gave the pen after going to the monitor, unfortunately FFS's shot was saved.
But the interesting bit was the VAR evidence: During the wait the foul was shown from about 8 angles and it looked nailed on from each one. The bit that condemns Taylor is that about six of those angles showed he was sufficiently close to the action to have a great view of it being a foul rather than a clean tackle. So why didn't he award the penalty in the first place?
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He is the worst one by FAR, Chelsea several years ago was the worst refereeing performance I've seen in my life .Even Sunday he didn't book Bernie for a nailed on yellow for dragging someone back because he'd let so much go before.How is that NOT applying the laws of the game?
Absolutely detest Taylor , should be nowhere near a football field.
 
Just don’t understand how he decides to referee the game to his laws and not the actual laws of the game.

It's the equivalent of the crap referee who ‘evens-up’ decisions because he didn’t have the guts to give a big decision in the first place.
 
East Level 2 said:
Taylor sees what he wants to see, and once again I will use the example of our game at West Ham two years ago.
It was 2-2 with about 15 minutes left and Raz (I think) was fouled in the area. Taylor eventually gave the pen after going to the monitor, unfortunately FFS's shot was saved.
But the interesting bit was the VAR evidence: During the wait the foul was shown from about 8 angles and it looked nailed on from each one. The bit that condemns Taylor is that about six of those angles showed he was sufficiently close to the action to have a great view of it being a foul rather than a clean tackle. So why didn't he award the penalty in the first place?
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Taylor will see nigh on everything! It's the percentage of what he sees and promptly ignores that is variable from one game to another, nay, from one half to the other.
 
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