Premier League (midweek) Games 2/3/4 April '24

FJRMCFC said:
Penalties aren’t a given and his overall play is the only reason they’re not closer to the relegation zone. You’re trying way too hard to discredit his performances.
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I am really not.

You are seeing something that isn’t there with his overall play.
 
SebastianBlue said:
You are seeing something that isn’t there with his overall play.
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In what regard?

Foden is my favourite player and is leading the Champions League in expected assists, yet Palmer's underlying creative numbers(goal/shot-creating actions) across all comps are all the better per 90. He's also averaging more tackles and intersections per 90, which is surprising, as I thought Foden's most significant improvement this season has come off the ball.
 
fulabeer said:
Just to clear up the Palmer thing.
WE DIDN'T SELL HIM ON. HE ASKED TO LEAVE.
Is that clear enough for people?

Pep told him he would be getting more playing time after Mahrez left.
He himself decided he still wanted to go. The club didn't step in his way.
So we didn't make any mistake.

As Pep said, he doesn't keep players who don't want to be there.
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Quite a few on here that have a hard time with that, and resort to having a go at Blues who aren’t just pointing the obvious out, but giving the kid his due.

Oh to be the biggest Blue.
 
Jonas.shaffer said:
In what regard?

Foden is my favourite player and is leading the Champions League in expected assists, yet Palmer's underlying creative numbers(goal/shot-creating actions) across all comps are all the better per 90. He's also averaging more tackles and intersections per 90, which is surprising, as I thought Foden's most significant improvement this season has come off the ball.
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A large portion of his G/A are penalties, which shouldn’t be included in any proper comparison (especially with the current penalty rules, which favour the penalty taker even more than they used to).

His individual contribution going forward is very good, but he is often quite selfish (which has regularly frustrated his teammates, even tonight), which limits his chance creation and overall team contributions. His positioning and workrate out of possession is usually pretty poor, which was also on show tonight (especially for United’s second goal, where he didn’t even bother running back (instead watching every other Chelsea player sprint back in an attempt to prevent the goal). There were several other instances of him just standing and watching as United countered.

Tonight he was pretty poor overall, which he often is, even in games where he scores or assists, contributing to Chelsea needing to come from behind in the first place. He scored two penalties he didn’t win and a hit and hope shot in to a crowd that would have been saved had a Rag player not redirected it past a diving Onana (really should be an own goal but will be credited to Palmer due to technically being on target).

As I have said many times, he simply would not be a regular starter under Pep this season, which Palmer wanted, hence he left. Pep told he would play more with Mahre leaving but couldn’t guarantee a starting role. Palmer wasn’t satisfied with that.

I don’t know how anyone could watch full Chelsea matches and argue he would be starting regularly for us. That’s not even getting in to the fact that Chelsea face completely different tactics to us, which suit Palmer’s style.
 
Jonas.shaffer said:
In what regard?

Foden is my favourite player and is leading the Champions League in expected assists, yet Palmer's underlying creative numbers(goal/shot-creating actions) across all comps are all the better per 90. He's also averaging more tackles and intersections per 90, which is surprising, as I thought Foden's most significant improvement this season has come off the ball.
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You can't compare tackling and interceptions, when Chelsea are constantly giving the ball away and City is dominating possession
At HT in that game this evening, the rags had 53% possession
 
dickie davies said:
You can't compare tackling and interceptions, when Chelsea are constantly giving the ball away and City is dominating possession
At HT in that game this evening, the rags had 53% possession
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This is the most important element that many that insist Palmer should have stayed don’t understand.

Chelsea play a different system and regularly face completely different tactics to those we face. Their opposition most often see them as vulnerable and so play aggressively, often targeting Palmer’s side, ironically, because he doesn’t like to track back, leading to a much more open game, which suits Palmer’s attacking talents (though, not his deficiencies). If there are more passes being played his way, he is going to have more interceptions. Same goes for
the attacking stats, as he is going to have more opportunity to attack individually in Chelsea’s setup.

To compare Foden and Palmer’s stats especially is just nonsensical.
 
wolviedinho said:
Probably trying to get a rag move next.

Is he a good player? Yes
Did he produce the goods with city and how we play? Sometimes
Was he going to replace any of our starters who just won a treble? Nope
Did we expect he would be this good? Nope.

He don’t care just like many other players. Said he was a united fan, no point splitting hairs.
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Agree with most of that. The raw ability was never in question.The sort of player that if you build a team around he’ll shine. Chelsea are that shit though watching them last night they play as if he’s Messi. Absolutely everything goes through him. There is not a chance we could or would have ever done that when we’ve got the likes of Foden and KDB.
 
fulabeer said:
Just to clear up the Palmer thing.
WE DIDN'T SELL HIM ON. HE ASKED TO LEAVE.
Is that clear enough for people?

Pep told him he would be getting more playing time after Mahrez left.
He himself decided he still wanted to go. The club didn't step in his way.
So we didn't make any mistake.

As Pep said, he doesn't keep players who don't want to be there.
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It’s a moot point he couldn’t get in our team, Chelsea are building their team around him. Good move for all parties. No need to debate & in any case Oscar Bobb has more raw talent & potential.
Ironic thing from last night Palmer is a life long rag apparently & Scruff is a Chelsea fan
 
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The Black Shed said:
I've just read Ten Hag saying they dominated that game. Out of all the stats I can find, they only 'won' one of them - the foul count - 15. And not a single united player was booked.

Shocked face
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Of course they dominated and were winning at 90 minutes so they should get at least a point.
And they've broken a new record: 99 minutes is the latest a team has been winning then gone on to lose.
Ten Bob is doing a good job and it's only opposing fans that think otherwise, Look how the media praise him on the few occasions they fluke a win; are we really saying football pundits and reporters are a bunch of lickspittle, know-nowt morons?
Dear Scruffy Jim and the Glazers, Ten Bob is doing a great job. Please give him a new contract.
From all at City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Villa, Spurs and the Comedy Channel.
 
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