PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[SilverFox2]

The problem with the media for me is quite simply that they have forgotten that their opinion is not news, the event that happened is news and their spin on it is secondary.

Exactly correct.
Views of news presented as news.

Clickbait rules. Find out who are your audience then bend the news to attract their interest.
Flavour the headline with lies or at best misleading RE content etc..

 

[Sk@mcfc]

That Reni is mint.

That’s where he goes to buy his City tops the tight fucker

 

[halfcenturyup]

I mean I’m not sure what your point was….

Your post was that the PL is in a bit of a mess and needs some leadership but this is a multi billion pound business with the issue I already commented on - their ‘customer base’ switched extremely rapidly from a core group of Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal & Spurs pushing to ‘stop’ City to suddenly City being the kingmakers with Utd, Chelsea, Newcastle all in their corner and Liverpool coming around as they can’t afford to be left behind.

It’s like the market overnight deciding the Machine 3 was overkill and we all wanted Bic razors instead, Gillette would look like a bunch of twats for plowing money into R&D on an outdated concept.

I thought my point was pretty clear, to be honest. Masters has presided over the creation of a complete pig's breakfast, these last twelve months or so especially.

I didn't mention a red agenda, although, as you brought it up, you would have to be naïve in the extreme to believe there hasn't been one, up until the last votes, at least, whatever you may think is happening now. I see no fundamental reason for that to change, in all honesty.

And your analogies need a bit of work, imho. If the PL considers the top clubs as their customers, then they have more problems than I thought.

As for the acceptance of City at the big table, I will believe that when the leaks to the press about the ongoing disciplinary process are anything less than 100% negative.

 

[give it to gordon]

This may be to simple but the the pl are changing the ffp rules because they dont work. So how can they still charge City over rules they now admit arent correct or working ?

 

[KS55]

I mean I’m not sure what your point was….

Your post was that the PL is in a bit of a mess and needs some leadership but this is a multi billion pound business with the issue I already commented on - their ‘customer base’ switched extremely rapidly from a core group of Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal & Spurs pushing to ‘stop’ City to suddenly City being the kingmakers with Utd, Chelsea, Newcastle all in their corner and Liverpool coming around as they can’t afford to be left behind.

It’s like the market overnight deciding the Mach 3 was overkill and we all wanted Bic razors instead, Gillette would look like a bunch of twats for plowing money into R&D on an outdated concept.

I’m not sure that other clubs have switched behind us and we are the kingmakers. Yes, they are realising that ffp is inhibiting them as we said it would but that’s as far as it goes, as yet.
When we are cleared can you imagine Liverpool saying “It is a good day for football”?

 

[At-Swim-Two-Birds]

To say that Masters is out of his depth is of course a huge understatement. Wikipedia states that he 'identifies' as an Aston Villa fan. More accurately it should say that he identifies as a puppet with Liverpool, United and Arsenal holding the strings.

 

[mancboy]

To say that Masters is out of his depth is of course a huge understatement. Wikipedia states that he 'identifies' as an Aston Villa fan. More accurately it should say that he identifies as a puppet with Liverpool, United and Arsenal holding the strings.

as i have said before masters would be out of his depth in paddling pool.

 

[pauls]

This may be to simple but the the pl are changing the ffp rules because they dont work. So how can they still charge City over rules they now admit arent correct or working ?

Or if Everton or Forest suffer relegation due to points deductions, how can they abolish this? Surely they would be open to all sorts of legal claims ?
The sooner the regulator comes in and the power is equally distributed the better.
If our cases allegedly starts in Autumn and a decision May25 plus appeals we could be nearly two years away and more negative press which we're all drained with.
Brittain and Masters couldn't run a bath and need to get a grip or let this INDEPENDANT regulator do so.
Rant over!

 

[WRicko]

This may be to simple but the the pl are changing the ffp rules because they dont work. So how can they still charge City over rules they now admit arent correct or working ?

You have to obey the law as it is now why would this be any different

 

[Stoned Rose]

as i have said before masters would be out of his depth in paddling pool.

Probably shits himself every time it starts drizzling.

 

[mattcity5]

The idea of the 'luxury tax' is fine in principle, but how does it sit with Uefa still having FFP? It doesn't really. Unless they are planning changes as well, anyway.

 

[halfcenturyup]

This may be to simple but the the pl are changing the ffp rules because they dont work. So how can they still charge City over rules they now admit arent correct or working ?

A couple of points:

First, most of the allegations don't relate directly to breaching FFP, they are for things like providing inaccurate accounts, not disclosing all manager and player remunerations, not cooperating, acting in bad faith, not complying with UEFA requirements, that sort of thing. None of these rules will be changed, I imagine, in any new FFP regime. So no change there.

Second, the law you have to comply with is generally the law at the time of the event. So I think, even if the FFP rules are changed, City would have to comply with the FFP rules in 2013-2018. That doesn't concern us too much (just because of the remote likelihood of any significant sanction), I don't think, but for Everton and Forest, where points deductions could send them down, what does the PL do then? Rescind the deductions, give added mitigation, change to a fine? What a tangled web they weave.

 

[wolviedinho]

This may be to simple but the the pl are changing the ffp rules because they dont work. So how can they still charge City over rules they now admit arent correct or working ?

Same with Forest and Everton. The rules will help relegate 1 of those clubs. How is that fair? All because they spent money badly or spent too much?

Financial rule break should be followed by a financial fine.

Wasn’t enough for the baying anti competition mob, like everything else, they wanted to use it to control league positions and punish teams who did not fall into line.

 

[mancboy]

The idea of the 'luxury tax' is fine in principle, but how does it sit with Uefa still having FFP? It doesn't really. Unless they are planning changes as well, anyway.

see the problem with the luxury tax is that it is the complete antithesis of what ffp was supposedly designed for which was to stop clubs going into debt, spending above their means and going bust, what they are saying is you can spend whatever you want as long as we get paid too, thats not gonna stop anyone from spending, its just going to mean the pl gets more unearned money and clubs get deeper in debt and continually rob peter to pay paul until as always the whole thing implodes

 

[hello]

Because we don't actually want a league which has massive financial disparity. Teams that cost £1000m playing teams that cost £60m does not produce great football. You just end up with 1 team parking 11 behind the ball, wasting time from kick off and making nasty cycnical fouls.

Its a bit disingenuous to say Arsenal's side only cost 60m.

 

[Bald fraud]

This may be to simple but the the pl are changing the ffp rules because they dont work. So how can they still charge City over rules they now admit arent correct or working ?

And most probably the reason all this will end up in the bin

 

[mattcity5]

see the problem with the luxury tax is that it is the complete antithesis of what ffp was supposedly designed for which was to stop clubs going into debt, spending above their means and going bust, what they are saying is you can spend whatever you want as long as we get paid too, thats not gonna stop anyone from spending, its just going to mean the pl gets more unearned money and clubs get deeper in debt and continually rob peter to pay paul until as always the whole thing implodes

It shouldn't in theory. You *should* only spend it if the club can afford it (which may mean it can be subsidised by the owner, I don't know).

Then the tax gets spread amongst the teams who maybe can't afford it, so the money stays in the game and helps those who need it.

In theory anyway.

 

[mancboy]

It shouldn't in theory. You *should* only spend it if the club can afford it (which may mean it can be subsidised by the owner, I don't know).

Then the tax gets spread amongst the teams who maybe can't afford it, so the money stays in the game and helps those who need it.

In theory anyway.

i think it would have to be because how do you then determine if the club can indeed afford it, how do they decide what the ceiling is for how much you can spend because the wage spend is so disparate throughout the clubs that some clubs could immediately be on the wrong side of it.

If the money is spread around clubs then thats a good thing but i dont think it will stop clubs spending beyond their means except now they will be aiming to service debt while paying the pl to boot.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

All this desperate legislative flailing about from the PL is proving is that proper independent regulation is needed. Even if they manage to come up with a decent proposal it's not right for the PL to be judge, jury and executioner as it were - they are viewed at least as too partisan.

 

[domalino]

i think it would have to be because how do you then determine if the club can indeed afford it, how do they decide what the ceiling is for how much you can spend because the wage spend is so disparate throughout the clubs that some clubs could immediately be on the wrong side of it.

If the money is spread around clubs then thats a good thing but i dont think it will stop clubs spending beyond their means except now they will be aiming to service debt while paying the pl to boot.

The ceiling is already being set with the new FFP/PSR rules where spending (on players and wages and some other stuff) can't be more than 70% of revenue.

So that's where the limit is. You pay tax into a big pot for every £1 you spend over your limit.

In American sports all the tax money is then pooled and given out to the teams that are under their limit - but that doesn't have to be set in stone.

The main point of the new proposal is that it makes it possible to overspend short term, but makes it unsustaiable long term by being expensive, and you get diminishing returns the more you overspend because more and more of your "extra" money is going to tax instead of your squad.