The Conservative Party

[threespires]

I was going to write a few words on the latest bout of punching down, but I think we’re at the point where this thread needs to adopt the same approach as the one for the rags.

SCUM

 

[Mr Fraser]

It’s not the technology more the way it is being used to create mistrust and a here and now based on lies.

To hear rish! this morning say dwp is introducing more AI is scary. The current IT is not fit for purpose. True for legacy and UC

 

[Mr Fraser]

When I was assessed, I did a lot of research online beforehand and was alarmed at the number of claimants had said that what was said at interview, was not what was wriiten in the assessment report. I also learnt that if you ask to see the notes written at assessment, they have to show them.

When I went in, I took a colleague (to ensure fair play) and said before we start, I want to see everything you type today to ensure what I say is accurately reflected in your assessment report, and I want an email copy. Thankfully, I had an assessor who was, not only happy for me to read the notes, but also allowed me to make changes if saw fit (which I made several).

What was expected to be a daunting assessment, was fairly good for me, but I know there are many horror stories out there.

My advice Kaz is, if they haul you in for an assessment, do as I did and make sure you agree on what is written before you leave.

Good luck

I think all assessments on phone now (not completely sure). Regardless of how it is done agree content,get a copy etc. And have a trusted friend, relative with you. Sounds like you had good assessor, not all are

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It’s not the technology more the way it is being used to create mistrust and a here and now based on lies.

That sort of means it is the technology, isn’t it?

 

[TinFoilHat]

To hear rish! this morning say dwp is introducing more AI is scary. The current IT is not fit for purpose. True for legacy and UC

I wonder which company is creating the AI for it....?

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

I'm sure brewster is a merchant banker

Sounds like a euphemism

 

[mosssideblue]

I think all assessments on phone now (not completely sure). Regardless of how it is done agree content,get a copy etc. And have a trusted friend, relative with you. Sounds like you had good assessor, not all are

Not sure what the assessment criteria is now but I had mine at the time where a physical assessment was undertaken as well as a discussion about my condition and physical abilities.

It was also at the time when there were a lot of complaints about DWP not correctly recording what was discussed and people being rejected PiP and forced to appeal.

As I posted, I started my PiP interview by saying I want to ensure there are no discrepancies or ambiguities with what we discus and I want to see your typed report.

TBF, she was a decent assessor and only pressed "send" after I had read her report and made any changes.

I agree though, not all are good.

 

[Saddleworth2]

That sort of means it is the technology, isn’t it?

I’m not sure mate. If you hit someone with a golf club is it the golf clubs fault. Or is it the person that wields it? Help me out with your lawyerly mind because I can see it both ways.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I’m not sure mate. If you hit someone with a golf club is it the golf clubs fault. Or is it the person that wields it? Help me out with your lawyerly mind because I can see it both ways.

I think that your analogy is incongruous. A better example would be comparing current technological communications and those of a generation ago, with a machine gun and a musket.

The former is far more effective and deadly - and can cause far more damage in the same period of time.

 

[Mr Fraser]

Not sure what the assessment criteria is now but I had mine at the time where a physical assessment was undertaken as well as a discussion about my condition and physical abilities.

It was also at the time when there were a lot of complaints about DWP not correctly recording what was discussed and people being rejected PiP and forced to appeal.

As I posted, I started my PiP interview by saying I want to ensure there are no discrepancies or ambiguities with what we discus and I want to see your typed report.

TBF, she was a decent assessor and only pressed "send" after I had read her report and made any changes.

I agree though, not all are good.

PIP is not means tested so personally think tories are going after this. Carers has been in news recently that's because there was a push on it a short while ago. Similarly Pension Credit might be newsworthy soon, taking money in sanctions of our pensioners. Various initiatives on UC ongoing but the legislation and code behind it is bobbins. As kaz referenced earlier loss of PIP (care element) can impact entitlement to ESA premiums. I quite like UC in principle but legislation and code supporting it are bobbins. expecting carnage when Labour get in as they will do something about changing it, expecting patches on existing patches to amend code

 

[blue44]

 

[Saddleworth2]

I think that your analogy is incongruous. A better example would be comparing current technological communications and those of a generation ago, with a machine gun and a musket.

The former is far more effective and deadly - and can cause far more damage in the same period of time.

yes it can. But both weapons are impotent without someone operating them intending to kill. The evil is conducted by a human. The weapon/technology simply serves to make the evil more efficient.

 

[Vic]

It’s not a popular thing to say - especially on here - but the problem is now so bad that it can’t be ignored.

There won’t be any votes in it for Sunak but when you look at the numbers of people any government would need to tackle it, and that includes the next one as well.

The system has to be fair and that includes being fair to the people who do go out to work to pay for it all.

Indeed. Don't sick people vote? That's another group of ex-Tories.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Don't sick people vote?

Depends how sick they are.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

yes it can. But both weapons are impotent without someone operating them intending to kill. The evil is conducted by a human. The weapon/technology simply serves to make the evil more efficient.

But people haven’t fundamentally changed in the last 30 years. Technology has.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

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Say what you will about Jesus, but he was clearly a brilliant salesman.

 

[Vic]

Not necessarily...

The voter supression laws he's enacted means many of the people he's attacking won't be able to vote because they won't have official ID.

At least 5 million people need to be educated in getting official id to vote or use postal voting.

With regards to posting I can see a summer GE as some Tory seats will be less threatened as all the students will be at home.

They've got postal votes - they can vote in whichever seat is more marginal

 

[blue44]

Say what you will about Jesus, but he was clearly a brilliant salesman.

Or the author that wrote the fiction.
I work with a lot of pinoys that are brainwashed by him.

 

[Vic]

Yes but where is the help to get people back into work if they feel up to it?

You can't just say right off to work you go lad/lass after years of inactivity?

In the 80's there was a great scheme where people were trained for real jobs like brickies , carpenters, hairdressers etc or remploy schemes for disabled. Real funded training opportunities and ways for some sick, ex prisoners and squaddies etc to get back to work

All these have been abolished.

Another Thatcherite policy, cutting the Industrial Training Boards set up by the Labour government in 1964 to address the skills shortages.

 

[Vic]

He’s not thought it through properly.

There'll be 400 Tory MPs out of work come next January.

The mental health of MPs should be an indicator - but they can "not go to work" and it not be noticed.