The Scottish Politics thread

[PPT]

We'll see, they will lose seats to Labour but the last projection I saw, saw them taking the few remaining Tories seats and still getting 41 seats. Tories projected to get 0 seasts.

The Tories obviously will not get any seats.
It's Labour who will inflict the damage.

 

[blueparrot]

The Tories obviously will not get any seats.
It's Labour who will inflict the damage.

Labour will take some seatsfrom the SNP,mainly in the central belt. the SNP, and Liberals will take the tory seats not Labour.

 

[PPT]

Oh, a few friends eh? Well I’m sure they represent all of us pretty well. The SNP have gone down in my estimation too but as long as they remain the only credible party to push independence I will vote for them. I have a few friends who think the same too. ;-) The U.K. is indeed a busted flush. A once great nation. sadly not anymore Thanks to a succession of Tory governments (apologies mentioning Tories is off topic in a Scottish Politics thread despite the fact they dictate the majority of our foreign, trade, economic policies).

if you are in the slightest interested in politics you would recognise that the SNPs socialist policies are quite distinct from any other party which is a specific reason that many Scot’s vote for them irrespective of the independence question. Gender recognition/ Murrell/ ferries/ education have put a lot of backs up but when push comes to shove and the nation has to vote for Tory/ Tory light or SNP, let’s see who remains in control of Scottish Parliament.

Labour will win circa 25 seats at the next election.
After that it's all downhill for the SNP. The independence fairy tale is over (unfortunately),
and people have recognised and accepted this. Support will gradually go back to Labour
and they will eventually become the dominant party in Scotland again. It may well take 15 years
or so, but it is inevitable.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Labour will win circa 25 seats at the next election.
After that it's all downhill for the SNP. The independence fairy tale is over (unfortunately),
and people have recognised and accepted this. Support will gradually go back to Labour
and they will eventually become the dominant party in Scotland again. It may well take 15 years
or so, but it is inevitable.

Finger on the pulse eh?
A shift might happen if Labour get in and move to the right. Nothing in Scottish politics is inevitable other than a total rejection of the Tory party. It does seem a difficult concept to grasp for some is that in the main, the Scots want a different set of policies to the London/Se dominated English. Ask yourself why Scottish Labour died a death in Scotland? As long as Starmer positions the party as Tory light Labour will not succeed. Looking forward to how the Labour Brexit position plays in Scotland at the next GE or have your friends all forgotten that?

 

[Saddleworth2]

Who said it didn't?

Those that don’t want any mention of Westminster on this thread.

 

[PPT]

Finger on the pulse eh?
A shift might happen if Labour get in and move to the right. Nothing in Scottish politics is inevitable other than a total rejection of the Tory party. It does seem a difficult concept to grasp for some is that in the main, the Scots want a different set of policies to the London/Se dominated English. Ask yourself why Scottish Labour died a death in Scotland? As long as Starmer positions the party as Tory light Labour will not succeed. Looking forward to how the Labour Brexit position plays in Scotland at the next GE or have your friends all forgotten that?

We’ll see…

 

[Saddleworth2]

Labour will win circa 25 seats at the next election.

What? Three more than they gave at present? Hardly a landslide don’t you think?

 

[Brewster's millions]

Oh, a few friends eh? Well I’m sure they represent all of us pretty well. The SNP have gone down in my estimation too but as long as they remain the only credible party to push independence I will vote for them. I have a few friends who think the same too. ;-) The U.K. is indeed a busted flush. A once great nation. sadly not anymore Thanks to a succession of Tory governments (apologies mentioning Tories is off topic in a Scottish Politics thread despite the fact they dictate the majority of our foreign, trade, economic policies).

if you are in the slightest interested in politics you would recognise that the SNPs socialist policies are quite distinct from any other party which is a specific reason that many Scot’s vote for them irrespective of the independence question. Gender recognition/ Murrell/ ferries/ education have put a lot of backs up but when push comes to shove and the nation has to vote for Tory/ Tory light or SNP, let’s see who remains in control of Scottish Parliament.

That’s not a wholly accurate description of the SNP’s socialist alternative though, is it?

What the SNP is offering is a socialist agenda which is funded and underwritten by the remainder of the UK, and so the full economic consequences of a bloated public sector in Scotland aren’t being presented to the Scottish electorate.

Scotland has a deficit of 15% of GDP when you take out North Sea revenue and no small nation would be able to sustain that without the sort of backing provided by the UK Treasury. Would Scotland have voted SNP if the basic rate of tax needed to rise by 8 or 9p, or public expenditure needed to be cut by 10-15%, in order to get the deficit down to a more realistic level? A few might but I would wager that many wouldn’t.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Englishsplaining to Scots who live and experience life in Scotland is hilarious in this thread.

 

[Saddleworth2]

That’s not a wholly accurate description of the SNP’s socialist alternative though, is it?

What the SNP is offering is a socialist agenda which is funded and underwritten by the remainder of the UK, and so the full economic consequences of a bloated public sector in Scotland aren’t being presented to the Scottish electorate.

Scotland has a deficit of 15% of GDP when you take out North Sea revenue and no small nation would be able to sustain that without the sort of backing provided by the UK Treasury. Would Scotland have voted SNP if the basic rate of tax needed to rise by 8 or 9p, or public expenditure needed to be cut by 10-15%, in order to get the deficit down to a more realistic level? A few might but I would wager that many wouldn’t.

Is the north West funded by the rest of the UK? Or Wales? Or the Midlands? Because all are subject to the Barnett Formulae. London and the SE fund all of us. Scotland gets handed its pocket money like every other region and you want to tell us how to spend it too.

 

[blueinsa]

Englishsplaining to Scots who live and experience life in Scotland is hilarious in this thread.

That’s a new one lol

I’m English, live work and pay tax in Scotland.

Is that ok?

 

[Brewster's millions]

Is the north West funded by the rest of the UK? Or Wales? Or the Midlands? Because all are subject to the Barnett Formulae. London and the SE fund all of us. Scotland gets handed its pocket money like every other region and you want to tell us how to spend it too.

Is the North West governed by a party campaigning for independence, whilst simultaneously running a huge deficit as part of its socialist agenda which can only be maintained if the North West remains part of the UK?

I must have missed that one.

 

[TinFoilHat]

That’s a new one lol

I’m English, live work and pay tax in Scotland.

Is that ok?

Are you sure you're English?

That reply came across as Scottish. You must be assimilating well.

:)

You have genuine skin in the game. I don't as I'm on the outside. I visit Glasgow a few times a year but that doesn't mean I'm engaged in the local politics. I'm trying to understand it but failing miserably.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Is the North West governed by a party campaigning for independence, whilst simultaneously running a huge deficit as part of its socialist agenda which can only be maintained if the North West remains part of the UK?

I must have missed that one.

Well yes partially.

From ONS

London saw the largest change in its net fiscal balance, moving from a £40.5 billion net fiscal surplus to a £7.2 billion net fiscal deficit, which is the smallest net fiscal deficit in the UK.

The North West and the West Midlands both had the largest net fiscal deficit with £49.9 billion and £37.1 billion respectively.

On a per person basis, London had the lowest net fiscal deficit per person at £800 per head, while Northern Ireland had the highest net fiscal deficit at £9,500 per head. The UK average for net fiscal deficit per head was £4,740.

The only difference is Scotland wants out of a broken UK which has to all intents and purposes implemented trading sanctions on itself.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Well yes partially.

From ONS

London saw the largest change in its net fiscal balance, moving from a £40.5 billion net fiscal surplus to a £7.2 billion net fiscal deficit, which is the smallest net fiscal deficit in the UK.

The North West and the West Midlands both had the largest net fiscal deficit with £49.9 billion and £37.1 billion respectively.

On a per person basis, London had the lowest net fiscal deficit per person at £800 per head, while Northern Ireland had the highest net fiscal deficit at £9,500 per head. The UK average for net fiscal deficit per head was £4,740.

The only difference is Scotland wants out of a broken UK which has to all intents and purposes implemented trading sanctions on itself.

All very interesting but you didn’t answer the question.

Is the North West governed by an independence party, and are the electorate in the NW voting for an independence party, whilst running an enormous deficit that can only be sustained by remaining part of the UK?

 

[Saddleworth2]

All very interesting but you didn’t answer the question.

Is the North West governed by an independence party, and are the electorate in the NW voting for an independence party, whilst running an enormous deficit that can only be sustained by remaining part of the UK?

No it’s not running for independence but maybe you should look at that.

 

[hilts]

Those that don’t want any mention of Westminster on this thread.

Okay I'm sure you will be fine with anything relating to Scotland
I'll keep an eye out:-)

 

[Saddleworth2]

Are you sure you're English?

That reply came across as Scottish. You must be assimilating well.

:)

You have genuine skin in the game. I don't as I'm on the outside. I visit Glasgow a few times a year but that doesn't mean I'm engaged in the local politics. I'm trying to understand it but failing miserably.

What don't you understand mate?

 

[Coatigan]

The Tories obviously will not get any seats.
It's Labour who will inflict the damage.

Labour couldn't inflict damage on a rhubarb crumble. The state of the SNP just now, they should be wiping them out. But as the useless self preservation party that they are, they will win a number of seats and that will be seen as some big re-birth. Which will last all of 2 minutes (relatively speaking).

 

[Cassandra]

Just listening to the lawyer for many of the postmasters in Scotland criticising the UK government for not including Scotland in their bill to remove convictions in the rest of the UK but excluding Scotland on the basis that Judicial matters are devolved (Hasn’t stopped them interfering in other matters though.). If I were first minister I would now be bringing forward a bill in the Scottish Parliament including an eye watering compensation scheme for all Scottish postmasters affected by this scandal, to be paid for by the Post Office. Then wait for Westminster to intervene…. ….Perhaps that’s why I’m not a politician?